State Makes All Adults in England Organ Donors Unless They Object

[Coug]

I don't see a real problem with this overall. They're dead and they won't need the organs anymore and you have the option to opt out for whatever reason.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

So in places where assisted suicide is legal, would it be okay to go ahead and put someone to sleep and take the organs as a means of causing the suicide to occur?

 

[BowlBrother85]

Because the default option is that the state owns you unless you opt out.

How about if the state inserts a chip in you at birth and if you want to opt out you can have it removed?

We're told we can't have voter ID because it's too much of a burden for people but the state owning your body upon death unless you opt out isn't a burden? The same argument applies - who do you think would be least likely to know they can't opt out or have difficulty doing it?

If there's a shortage of organs there are hundreds of ways to encourage opting in.

That is an absurdly inapplicable analogy. Having organ donation as the default choice doesn't give the government any access to your body while you are still alive, as your chip example does.

I had an older sister who died ten years ago this week. She was a teetotaler which made her liver desirable. It was donated and helped save someone's life. She would have loved that.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

So the Amish in England gonna be defaulting without a means to opt out?

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

So the Amish in England gonna be defaulting without a means to opt out?

Are they precluded from writing wills?

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Are they precluded from writing wills?

The post above says:
"Hitherto, to donate your organs, you would have to opt in to the system. As of Wednesday, people in England will have to inform the NHS either by phone or filling in an online form to register their refusal."

I guess they could get on their barn computer and login to LegalZoom dot com though.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

The post above says:
"Hitherto, to donate your organs, you would have to opt in to the system. As of Wednesday, people in England will have to inform the NHS either by phone or filling in an online form to register their refusal."

I guess they could get on their barn computer and login to LegalZoom dot com though.

A will is a legally binding document. Also, your next of kin have veto power as well. But I get it. It’s just another thing to be scared of.

 

[Purple Tiger]

My body, my choice.

Right. Keep on telling yourself that. You have no control of your body or what someone chooses to do with it once you're dead. One can try to make specific instructions while they are alive but there is no guarantee they will happen.

 

[Purple Tiger]

Because this is an unsettling step. Next there wont be a way to opt out. Or you have to pay to opt out. There are a million ways this gets abused.

You die temporarily, and suddenly you have lost all rights you used to have. Brain dead but a chance you may recover, family is able to pay, government decides to turn off life support to collect your organs. They already can turn off the support. This just makes that step one bit closer

Brain dead = legally dead. You will not recover if you are brain dead.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

A will is a legally binding document. Also, your next of kin have veto power as well. But I get it. It’s just another thing to be scared of.

So the government takes their organs unless they spend the money to hire an attorney to draw up the documents giving the owner of the body parts a choice. Not their body, their choice. It's the government taking somebody's property.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

So the government takes their organs unless they spend the money to hire an attorney to draw up the documents giving the owner of the body parts a choice. Not their body, their choice. It's the government taking somebody's property.

How about the next of kin? You seem to forget about that part.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

How about the next of kin? You seem to forget about that part.

Everybody doesn't have a next of kin or technology to opt out or the extra money to hire an attorney. So without those things the government gets to take your organs? Sounds a lot like the CCP.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Everybody doesn't have a next of kin or technology to opt out or the extra money to hire an attorney. So without those things the government gets to take your organs? Sounds a lot like the CCP.

I’d love to meet the person who has no next of kin, no technology and no money to write a will. There must be millions of them!

 

[hog88]

I have to admit I was wrong about some of our liberal posters motivations. I thought most of them were just anti-trump and whatever made him look bad was great or whatever policy he endorsed they opposed simply due to their dislike for him, I was wrong. Take this thread and the virus thread and the same people supporting forced lock downs and business closures are in here supporting forced organ harvesting. They are not just anti-trump they are full on government worshipers.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I’d love to meet the person who has no next of kin, no technology and no money to write a will. There must be millions of them!

A bunch of them are living in downtown Knoxville under bridges right now. I don't think that it's a good idea for the government to automatically start carving them up for spare parts when they pass away.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

A bunch of them are living in downtown Knoxville under bridges right now. I don't think that it's a good idea for the government to automatically start carving them up for spare parts when they pass away.

Being homeless means you have no next of kin?

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Being homeless means you have no next of kin?

Many, if not most, have been disowned by their families. Therefore the government should get to dig into their dead bodies and carve out the bits that they want I suppose.

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

That's a good reason to say NO to organ donation

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I'll repeat - if a shortage of voluntary donors is an issue then there are tons of ways to encourage more people to participate. If you can't get more volunteers by any means and you have to resort to this then you are admitting that you want to take organs without people agreeing to it.

Why can't people understand this?

 

[bamawriter]

A bunch of them are living in downtown Knoxville under bridges right now. I don't think that it's a good idea for the government to automatically start carving them up for spare parts when they pass away.

If one has been homeless for a decent stretch, chances are one's organs won't be viable anyway.

 

[bamawriter]

That's a good reason to say NO to organ donation

Aside from a religious belief, what is a good reason to take one's organs to the grave?

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

Aside from a religious belief, what is a good reason to take one's organs to the grave?

That in my opinion is pretty much forced organ donation and i'm not going to donate my organs by choice.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

If one has been homeless for a decent stretch, chances are one's organs won't be viable anyway.

But the government shouldn't be deciding which parts are taken. Many are very healthy... the government should never be able to stake a claim on body parts. That sounds a lot like the practices of the CCP.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Right. Keep on telling yourself that. You have no control of your body or what someone chooses to do with it once you're dead. One can try to make specific instructions while they are alive but there is no guarantee they will happen.

Wow...

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Aside from a religious belief, what is a good reason to take one's organs to the grave?

Because it avoids the possibility of the government abusing their power. But since billions of people practice various forms of religion, that's enough of a reason.