State Makes All Adults in England Organ Donors Unless They Object

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bamawriter said:
My question assumed an exception for religious belief. I only raised the point because your reply assumed that billions of people practice religions that forbid donation.
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My reply didn't assume that billions of people practice religions that forbid donation. My point was that billions practice religion and that alone should be enough to prevent forcing citizens to be proactive at stopping some of them being carved up by a government. Just because the minority doesn't have a loud voice... the government shouldn't be able to dig out salvageable parts.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
At the end of the day, those left behind are the ones cutting the checks. They have the right to make any call they see fit.
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This isn't about what you are talking about. This is about my body after I'm dead and who has access and utility of it.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This isn't about what you are talking about. This is about my body after I'm dead and who has access and utility of it.
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It certainly can apply. Your family can do what it wants to your dead carcass with regard to organ donation, cremation, burial, etc.
 
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I'm more concerned about the government having an incentive to expedite certain individual's deaths if they get to pick through the remains of some of them.

There are better ways for the government to be involved in organ donations. It's wrong when somebody that's not interested in donating has to jump through governmental hoops so they're not going to be chopped up like livestock. The default choice should be to not participate. The government can promote participation of voluntary donor programs and offer incentives to opt in. Having a program to take parts from some of the dead without their consent is ghoulish.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
Brain dead = legally dead. You will not recover if you are brain dead.
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And I am so glad the government, which now has financial incentive to see me dead, makes that decision.

Like Bham I am a donor, and I dont give one crap what happens to my body once I am gone. But there is no way in hell it's ok to make that decision for someone else.
 
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bamawriter said:
It may be "good enough" from a legal standpoint. It's a far cry from "good"



I've never really understood why anyone gives a crap what happens to his corpse. It's because of that lack of understanding that I asked the question.
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Doesnt matter why. There are people out there who enjoy having cigarette butts put out on themselves. You dont have to understand it to accept it.

This is grave robbing. Someone breaks into your grave steals an arm, they can be charged. Even if you are an organ donor. It's also got the same reasoning as raping an unconscious body, "its not rape if they cant say no", "it's not stealing if they cant say no".
 
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Wont be long till the join China like someone posted. You dont need that second kidney. Maybe someone more important needs your eyes, you dont need to see to live.

Are the going to be able call you up to take blood, plasma, bone marrow? They can take that without killing you.
 
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getting a voter ID for something you would use annually = too much burden; knowing now that you have to opt out of organ donation and executing that opt out = durp, it's no burden whatsoever.
 
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since we're all about saving lives how about you car is automatically fitted with devices that monitor your driving behavior and punish you for violations (dangerous) but you can opt out ---- everyone cool with that?
 
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volinbham said:
since we're all about saving lives how about you car is automatically fitted with devices that monitor your driving behavior and punish you for violations (dangerous) but you can opt out ---- everyone cool with that?
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I don't think that comparison tracks very well.
 
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volinbham said:
I suppose you could get credit for organs...owe $10K in back property taxes? That'll be your heart, one kidney and your cornea.
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Good idea, I suppose a person could "will" their organs to a relative and they could sell them to the state?
 
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