State of Tennessee Wins the Injunction

[Smokey X]

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[Sudden Impact]

If the NCAA were smart, which they are not, they would take this decision and back off and say to all the conferences, lets get together and work on a comprehensive agreement to manage the NIL and transfer portal going forward. If they miss this opportunity its going to get crazy.

The NCAA should have done this before, now there is blood in the water. Not going to go well at this point.

This action will set off more lawsuits and the NCAA will not have a choice but to cry Uncle.

I just hope the conferences in conjunction with the Conferences could have sat down before this and sorted it out.

Glad it came to this> Face it, the NCAA was and has always been in my eyes an Administrative Organization. The only way they could show power was enforce the basic rules; their mistake is that they did not do so fairly or evenly across the board which tells you who got special treatment because of $$$$$.

When Tennessee won the NC it was not what the NCAA wanted and we would have been out of the NC Game had UCLA and Kansas State won their games. I think that our conference pushed for a BCS format and presented it of which was adopted. NCAA had no original plan until they tweaked it into the 4 team playoffs.

 

[MemphisVol77]

Apology for poor English
When were you when NCAA dies?
I was sat at home drinking moonshine when Donde ring;
"NCAA is kill"
"Yes"

 

[WoodsmanVol]

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Magnificent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Perhaps figure out where and how to add the suggested text. Or not. This is some darn fine work, and on such short notice, you're true master. I do think power T should prominently featured.

 

[TheVolsFrog]

Last one out of the NCAA office, turn the lights off.
BOOM

 

[VFL-82-JP]

For those not following closely, this is not a court case victory. It is a prior injunction victory, a "judge, what do we do while this case is going through the system, is it okay for us to use NIL freely in the interim?" "Judge: yep, that's fine, TN and VA. NCAA, you don't do anything to get in their way for now."

But the court case itself is still to come. It could take months. Maybe years. And whatever the outcome, it could probably be appealed. Meaning even more months or years.

But for now, Nico is free and clear, UT is free and clear, the whole damn states of Tennessee and Virginia are free and clear while the case proceeds.

Let's assume for a moment that the final court decision will match the tone and direction of this prior injunction (as seems very likely to happen). Namely, that the NCAA can not, in any way, anywhere, ever, touch players and NIL cooperatives.

So what happens then?

Well, the NCAA would like the US Congress to step in and establish law. But Congress are (a) notoriously slow, (b) very risk averse when it comes to actually leading the nation, and (c) badly divided. So they're never going to save the NCAA's day.

The only thing left for the NCAA to do is lead/host a summit of the member institutions (the colleges and conferences) to try to build some wall between the pristine, debutante world of college athletics, and the grubby, hands-on, dirty world of professional sports.

How?

I think the current model can continue to work indefinitely. For decades to come. I mean, the world where NIL collectives are not formally, legally, or financially linked to a university, though in practice the two work together as needed. Student athletes are still student athletes, on campus. Off campus, in their dealings with others, they're free to be professionals, and to be paid for being college stars (their "NIL").

And everyone knows that barrier is about as solid as a chicken wire fence. Nevertheless, the formal separation keeps one thing one thing, and the other thing the other thing.

And they co-exist. As they do right now. In other words, we muddle through, for as far as the eye can see.

That's where I think we're honestly going, at the end of today. Nothing wrong with that.

Go Vols!


p.s. The NCAA isn't going anywhere. They play a LOT of different roles for college sports, recruiting enforcement being only one. If the NCAA didn't exist, we'd have to create one, to do all that other stuff.

 

[TheVolsFrog]

If I were them, I would have my lawyers drafting complaints immediately.

I'm sure they will do that but they should've grew some balls and jumped on the lawsuit with us

 

[DaddyChad]

He wasn't estimating their chances. He was showing historical data on winning/losing a case if an injunction has been filed. He's not pontificating in this tweet

Agree. Probably should’ve wrote a better post on my end. Simply saying I don’t think Mars or anyone believes the ncaa even has that high of a chance in the case. I know he was doing a broad sample of all cases instead of estimating the specific chances in this case.

 

[Volfansince1980]

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

They aren't going to get an anti-trust exemption based on not paying athletes.

They can get any antitrust exemption that Congress passes (I don't think it'll pass), it's Congress's law and they can exempt them on whatever terms they (Congress) want. I think a conditional/partial exemption would have the best chance, basically giving them power to enforce rules as long as certain conditions were met (for example health insurance and some kind of profit sharing arrangement).

 

[DaddyChad]

For those not following closely, this is not a court case victory. It is a prior injunction victory, a "judge, what do we do while this case is going through the system, is it okay for us to use NIL freely in the interim?" "Judge: yep, that's fine, TN and VA. NCAA, you don't do anything to get in their way for now."

But the court case itself is still to come. It could take months. Maybe years. And whatever the outcome, it could probably be appealed. Meaning even more months or years.

But for now, Nico is free and clear, UT is free and clear, the whole damn states of Tennessee and Virginia are free and clear while the case proceeds.

Let's assume for a moment that the final court decision will match the tone and direction of this prior injunction (as seems very likely to happen). Namely, that the NCAA can not, in any way, anywhere, ever, touch players and NIL cooperatives.

So what happens then?

Well, the NCAA would like the US Congress to step in and establish law. But Congress are (a) notoriously slow, (b) very risk averse when it comes to actually leading the nation, and (c) badly divided. So they're never going to save the NCAA's day.

The only thing left for the NCAA to do is lead/host a summit of the member institutions (the colleges and conferences) to try to build some wall between the pristine, debutante world of college athletics, and the grubby, hands-on, dirty world of professional sports.

How?

I think the current model can continue to work indefinitely. For decades to come. I mean, the world where NIL collectives are not formally, legally, or financially linked to a university, though in practice the two work together as needed. Student athletes are still student athletes, on campus. Off campus, in their dealings with others, they're free to be professionals, and to be paid for being college stars (their "NIL").

And everyone knows that barrier is about as solid as a chicken wire fence. Nevertheless, the formal separation keeps one thing one thing, and the other thing the other thing.

And they co-exist. As they do right now. In other words, we muddle through, for as far as the eye can see.

That's where I think we're honestly going, at the end of today. Nothing wrong with that.

Go Vols!


p.s. The NCAA isn't going anywhere. They play a LOT of different roles for college sports, recruiting enforcement being only one. If the NCAA didn't exist, we'd have to create one, to do all that stuff.

I don’t disagree with anything you’ve posted. I would add though the ncaa has been trying to get an antitrust exemption for a while; I don’t see that happening. NCAA may not go away but I think the existing incarnation will change so much.

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

For those not following closely, this is not a court case victory. It is a prior injunction victory, a "judge, what do we do while this case is going through the system, is it okay for us to use NIL freely in the interim?" "Judge: yep, that's fine, TN and VA. NCAA, you don't do anything to get in their way for now."

But the court case itself is still to come. It could take months. Maybe years. And whatever the outcome, it could probably be appealed. Meaning even more months or years.

But for now, Nico is free and clear, UT is free and clear, the whole damn states of Tennessee and Virginia are free and clear while the case proceeds.

Let's assume for a moment that the final court decision will match the tone and direction of this prior injunction. Namely, that the NCAA can not, in any way, anywhere, ever, touch players and NIL cooperatives.

So what happens then?

Well, the NCAA would like the US Congress to step in and establish law. But Congress are (a) notoriously slow, (b) very risk averse when it comes to actually leading the nation, and (c) badly divided. So they're never going to save the NCAA's day.

The only thing left for the NCAA to do is lead/host a summit of the member institutions (the colleges and conferences) to try to build some wall between the pristine, virginal world of college athletics, and the grubby, hands-on, dirty world of professional sports.

How?

I think the current model can continue to work indefinitely. For decades to come. I mean, the world where NIL collectives are not formally, legally, or financially linked to a university, though in practice the two work together as needed. Student athletes are still student athletes, on campus. Off campus, in their dealings with others, they're free to be professionals, and to be paid for being college stars (their "NIL").

And everyone knows that barrier is about as solid as a chicken wire fence. Nevertheless, the formal separation keeps one thing one thing, and the other thing the other thing.

And they co-exist. As they do right now. In other words, we muddle through, for as far as the eye can see.

That's where I think we're honestly going, at the end of today. Nothing wrong with that.

Go Vols!


p.s. The NCAA isn't going anywhere. They play a LOT of different roles for college sports, recruiting enforcement being only one. If the NCAA didn't exist, we'd have to create one, to do all that stuff.

The NCAA is not winning, whether it’s a slow roast or quick burn. If they were smart they would announce defeat and try to work toward a fair and straightforward system. Their claws have been cut down to the quick. Do they want to work with the major conferences or fight em. If they try to fight at this point the big boys will just leave and form a new governing body. For the NCAA to save any face they beat drop this and work with the schools. There days of supreme rule are over one way or the other. GBO

 

[NetworkVol]

We're not going to see a holding call against an opponent all year

 

[VFL-82-JP]

The NCAA is not winning, whether it’s a slow roast or quick burn. If they were smart they would announce defeat and try to work toward a fair and straightforward system. Their claws have been cut down to the quick. Do they want to work with the major conferences or fight em. If they try to fight at this point the big boys will just leave. For the NCAA to save any face they beat drop this and work with the schools. There days of supreme rule are over one way or the other. GBO

It certainly is possible. Entirely possible that the NCAA will drop the court case (and any ongoing NIL-focused investigations they may have running) before the case even works its way through.

In fact, you and I both believe the NCAA would be smart to do that. Save money, time, and get on with the rest of their amended lives.

But no one ever accused the NCAA of being smart. So I'm not holding my breath.

Go Vols!

 

[butchna]

I don’t disagree with anything you’ve posted. I would add though the ncaa has been trying to get an antitrust exemption for a while; I don’t see that happening. NCAA may not go away but I think the existing incarnation will change so much.

For it to happen, they would need to get POLITICIANS to back their very unpopular hand...in this election year.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

They can get any antitrust exemption that Congress passes (I don't think it'll pass), it's Congress's law and they can exempt them on whatever terms they (Congress) want. I think a conditional/partial exemption would have the best chance, basically giving them power to enforce rules as long as certain conditions were met (for example health insurance and some kind of profit sharing arrangement).

Without making the players fully paid and letting them unionize, there's no chance that happening, IMHO.

There would be huge 13th Amendment implications if Congress went there.

 

[25vol]

Im thankful to have an administration that isn’t a bunch of clown ass pansies and didn’t take this sitting down. The NCAA must have thought we were an easy target to show they still matter but instead they totally screwed themselves. Their descent into complete and total irrelevance is literally being quickened by their own hand. It’s almost sad at this point but not really cause F*** THE NCAA!

 

[Special Ed]

Apology for poor English
When were you when NCAA dies?
I was sat at home drinking moonshine when Donde ring;
"NCAA is kill"
"Yes"

Don't apologize for poor English.
We're used to Alabama.

 

[JoeMiltonsAgent]

So in practicality, does this mean the NCAA won't issue the notice of allegations?

Not that my take matters in the least, but it seems to me they shouldn't.

That being said, the sanctimonious jackasses will probably push this as far as they can instead of cutting their losses.

 

[DaddyChad]

It certainly is possible. Entirely possible that the NCAA will drop the court case (and any ongoing NIL-focused investigations they may have running) before the case even works its way through.

In fact, you and I both believe the NCAA would be smart to do that. Save money, time, and get on with the rest of their amended lives.

But no one ever accused the NCAA of being smart. So I'm not holding my breath.

Go Vols!

Risk/reward. Sometimes even if chances are low the potential gain is worth the capital expense. Idk that it’s the case here; I would hope their lawyers have a better estimation of their chances than me.

 

[volfanhill]

 

[kcvols1]

Tom is way smarter than me but I think he’s overestimating the NCAA’s chances. I don’t think they have any chance of winning long term.

I suspect that 16% includes cases that have damning evidence they didn’t know about come up in discovery.

You always have to account for the Black Swan!

In terms of litigation probability of success though, 84% is REALLY good.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

If the NCAA were smart, which they are not, they would take this decision and back off and say to all the conferences, lets get together and work on a comprehensive agreement to manage the NIL and transfer portal going forward. If they miss this opportunity its going to get crazy.

They can't do that, it violates antitrust. Congress giving them some sort of exemption is their only chance. Having to depend on Congress to save you is about the most desperate situation possible but there will be no real rules in CFB until they do.

 

[joevol33]

Boom. Suck it NCAA

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Without making the players fully paid and letting them unionize, there's no chance that happening, IMHO.

There would be huge 13th Amendment implications if Congress went there.

It's not a Constitutional issue, it's a statutory one.