State of Tennessee Wins the Injunction

[Delmar]

I agree! You and I are probably going to get scorched for this. But, I agree one hundred percent!

It is insane for teenagers to get promised millions before they step foot on campus or when they play! How do you think coaches feel that are coaching these egomaniac teenagers and making less than they are getting for working much harder than they ever dreamed about working? The NIL is good. But, it needs to be capped at probably $100k a year less than the least amount of money that anyone on the team staff makes! Geez, the players get treated like kings with free clothes, food, education, etc.. Yes, they need money to travel, have fun, and see family members often as they can as well as have a nice vehicle. But, all the free things they receive plus a quarter of a million in 4 years is plenty!!! They don't need nor deserve more than the hard working people on the coaching staffs!!!

Yep, you’re going to get roasted. Not going back to the days of $100 handshakes ( or a car if you were at Bama). Way past that now and it’s never going back. Why, because the courts say so. Not saying I love it either but you either get on board or get left at the station. Just the way it is.

 

[89 VOLS grad]

Still beating that old dead horse I see. Take a hint. Nobody cares. It ain’t 1960 and you granddaddy’s college football anymore. You may not like it but you better learn to live with it cause it ain’t going anywhere.

Yes, it isn't 1960. People had more common sense back then. You take a hint. Your opinion isn't the only one on this board. It makes no sense to pay players more than most of the coaches receive. That is insane. Do they deserve a nice sum of cash on top of all the free things they already receive? ABSOLUTELY! But, the NIL has gotten way too out of control too quickly. There needs to be some major limitations set on what these teenagers and young 20 yr olds receive to play. That is more of what the guy is saying!

 

[CAVPUT]

He is the only person who didn’t see this coming.

Well, I'm ashamed to say that he wasn't the only one.

 

[89 VOLS grad]

Yep, you’re going to get roasted. Not going back to the days of $100 handshakes ( or a car if you were at Bama). Way past that now and it’s never going back. Why, because the courts say so. Not saying I love it either but you either get on board or get left at the station. Just the way it is.

No one said UT shouldn't do all they can and have the set up for all that can give all the money they can to get the best athletes! What some people mean is that the NIL money these teenagers are getting is insane and needs to be capped and controlled better! How would you feel as a coach working 100 hours a week with a weekly check of less than 10% of what a smart mouthed and disrespectful player was making who didn't even do much to benefit the team?

 

[89 VOLS grad]

Who the f*** are you to determine what players deserve to be paid? The free market is already taking care of that.

You mark my word and remember it down the road. If they don't limit the NIL amounts, the players will be running the teams to a degree soon, not the coaches. The NIL is going to make college football a free agency. If I wanted to watch the NFL, I would watch football on Sundays instead of Saturdays. I don't even watch the NFL much anymore. The millionaires that play the game play with their pockets in mind instead of their hearts! Sure, college players play the way the play hoping to get that big payday in the NFL. I believe a lot of players will never reach their potential because they won't bust their asses to make it to the next level to make millions should they already have a few without much effort at all. The NIL is going to eventually make college athletics worse for the fans in many ways. You will see.

 

[ThatVolGuy]

You mark my word and remember it down the road. If they don't limit the NIL amounts, the players will be running the teams to a degree soon, not the coaches. The NIL is going to make college football a free agency. If I wanted to watch the NFL, I would watch football on Sundays instead of Saturdays. I don't even watch the NFL much anymore. The millionaires that play the game play with their pockets in mind instead of their hearts! Sure, college players play the way the play hoping to get that big payday in the NFL. I believe a lot of players will never reach their potential because they won't bust their asses to make it to the next level to make millions should they already have a few without much effort at all. The NIL is going to eventually make college athletics worse for the fans in many ways. You will see.

So stop watching and shut it. Better for the rest of us.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Antitrust regulations limiting unpaid players' ability to earn side I cine from NIL???

That an entirely different kettle of fish from unionized, paid professionals.

It smacks of indentured servitude. 13th Amendment language. There are lawyers that are going to argue that angle if it goes that far.

The 13th amendment is not interpreted broadly at all and isn't likely to be a problem. There are plenty of industries Congress regulates economically and limits or schedules compensation, particularly government employment. Again, I don't think it's particularly likely Congress will give them an exemption, but if they did, it would solve 99% of their legal problems. I also think if an exemption was passed it would probably be conditioned on some sort of profit sharing arrangement and other agreed upon perks for players, but the NCAA could then make and enforce rules consistent with the conditions Congress specified.

 

[Volfan1000]

Nationwide. The lawsuit was brought by the AGs in Tennesse and Viriginia and the case was heard in a U.S. District Court. All 520,000+ athletes should be celebrating.

The NCAA just got served up on a platter.

 

[Delmar]

Yes, it isn't 1960. People had more common sense back then. You take a hint. Your opinion isn't the only one on this board. It makes no sense to pay players more than most of the coaches receive. That is insane. Do they deserve a nice sum of cash on top of all the free things they already receive? ABSOLUTELY! But, the NIL has gotten way too out of control too quickly. There needs to be some major limitations set on what these teenagers and young 20 yr olds receive to play. That is more of what the guy is saying!

Opinions and fantasies are fine but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter one iota what you, I or anybody else thinks. The courts have already made it clear that NIL is here to stay and that it can’t be limited. Like it or don’t like it, doesn’t matter.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I agree! You and I are probably going to get scorched for this. But, I agree one hundred percent!

It is insane for teenagers to get promised millions before they step foot on campus or when they play! How do you think coaches feel that are coaching these egomaniac teenagers and making less than they are getting for working much harder than they ever dreamed about working? The NIL is good. But, it needs to be capped at probably $100k a year less than the least amount of money that anyone on the team staff makes! Geez, the players get treated like kings with free clothes, food, education, etc.. Yes, they need money to travel, have fun, and see family members often as they can as well as have a nice vehicle. But, all the free things they receive plus a quarter of a million in 4 years is plenty!!! They don't need nor deserve more than the hard working people on the coaching staffs!!!

The collectives offer the money, but it's the fault of the players BECAUSE they take it? When is the last time you turned down money to play sports? Would you?

Players have been paid under the table for years and years and years, probably as long as you've been alive, but that was fine because you couldn't see the supplement to the scholarship, right?

Why do you think they are offered money and have been for a long, long time?

That scholarship you're saying is "enough" obviously isn't enough now and hasn't been enough for decades because boosters have been paying kids whether you like it or not.

 

[Mccage]

Yes, it isn't 1960. People had more common sense back then. You take a hint. Your opinion isn't the only one on this board. It makes no sense to pay players more than most of the coaches receive. That is insane. Do they deserve a nice sum of cash on top of all the free things they already receive? ABSOLUTELY! But, the NIL has gotten way too out of control too quickly. There needs to be some major limitations set on what these teenagers and young 20 yr olds receive to play. That is more of what the guy is saying!

Coaches can also receive NIL an top of their salaries

 

[DrTNT]

Don't ask me to provide a logical explanation as to the reasoning of these self-important ass hats lol

They've been selectively enforcing their rules for decades and I'm glad to see them fading into oblivion.

Don’t want them to fade into oblivion… I want the world to witness a public implosion!

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

The 13th amendment is not interpreted broadly at all and isn't likely to be a problem. There are plenty of industries Congress regulates economically and limits or schedules compensation, particularly government employment. Again, I don't think it's particularly likely Congress will give them an exemption, but if they did, it would solve 99% of their legal problems. I also think if an exemption was passed it would probably be conditioned on some sort of profit sharing arrangement and other agreed upon perks for players, but the NCAA could then make and enforce rules consistent with the conditions Congress specified.

Congress regulates industries where the people that do the work can't get paid for it?
I'd be interested in hearing just what those are.

 

[OneVolNation]

We need to make sure recruits know that they cannot get the same benefits at georgia as they can in Tennessee at the University of Tennessee.

 

[TennMan101]

Hey recruits. The State of Tennessee AND The University of Tennessee fought for your rights and financial benefits when all of the other SEC schools sat on the sidelines.

This alone should get big time recruits to take notice! Them and their families should feel confident in knowing the University of Tennessee will fight to the death for their benefit!

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

You mark my word and remember it down the road. If they don't limit the NIL amounts, the players will be running the teams to a degree soon, not the coaches. The NIL is going to make college football a free agency. If I wanted to watch the NFL, I would watch football on Sundays instead of Saturdays. I don't even watch the NFL much anymore. The millionaires that play the game play with their pockets in mind instead of their hearts! Sure, college players play the way the play hoping to get that big payday in the NFL. I believe a lot of players will never reach their potential because they won't bust their asses to make it to the next level to make millions should they already have a few without much effort at all. The NIL is going to eventually make college athletics worse for the fans in many ways. You will see.

I'll agree that players becoming employees, which is where this leads, signals the end of college football and lots of college athletics. I'll fully agree it's not good for college football.

I'll also add that the individual rights to NIL are more important than college athletics. OMG!!!! No!!!! You mean there's something more important than football?!?!?!

Yes, not depriving students of their NIL and the FULL VALUE of that NIL is actually more important than you enjoying football. Shocking, isn't it?

Imagine an American having the audacity to insist that individual rights are more important than your football. I'm sorry. Find your binky.

 

[volfanatic74]

Pat Forde and his crusade cronies against Tennessee can suck it

 

[Remy]

You cannot put toothpaste back in the tube once squeezed out, a bell cannot be unrung after a tug on a rope ringing it, and in the 21st century USA the NCAA is not going to regulate how individual athletes manage their likenesses and promote products with contracted companies for whatever $s the market will allow. The collegiate institutions have nothing to do with it, you know just like coaches promote whatever for how much they can get in the market and the schools have no say. The courts are simply no longer going to sit idly by and allow athletes to have their economic freedom curtailed by an organization who has no contract with these athletes at all.

 

[TopDog4TN]

I'll agree that players becoming employees, which is where this leads, signals the end of college football and lots of college athletics. I'll fully agree it's not good for college football.

I'll also add that the individual rights to NIL are more important than college athletics. OMG!!!! No!!!! You mean there's something more important than football?!?!?!

Yes, not depriving students of their NIL and the FULL VALUE of that NIL is actually more important than you enjoying football. Shocking, isn't it?

Imagine an American having the audacity to insist that individual rights are more important than your football. I'm sorry. Find your binky.

Your response was pretty spot on. I make my fall schedule based on Saturdays and football games. Next to my family, watching college football brings me as much joy as about anything could a person. However, I'll never put my wants above the rights of another. How can any person say "this person doesn't deserve this amount of money, much less is plenty enough". I just don't get how someone can think that they can put limits on another persons earning potential based on their own name, image, and likeness. Our love for the sport, is what has made NIL so lucrative for these players. For years and years we have enjoyed the entertainment and joy these players provide, unlimited highs and lows, while these players were expected to only get limited return as a scholarship (aside from the under the table things of course, just speaking in theory of how some people think).

With great freedom comes great responsibility, and yes I do believe these recruits need assistance as far as adults to help navigate them through NIL, through the university.....but as the saying goes, if they're old enough to pay the ultimate price and die for their country at war, then who is anyone else to tell them they're not old enough to take on the responsibility of anything else, especially getting paid. Some, even with education will make bad choices and fail because of getting the big pay day, others will not, they will prosper greatly and have their lives changed for the better, with an opportunity they would have previously never had....in the end it will work itself out like most everything else does in a free market (when its a truly free market).

Does this new world of NIL change things. Absolutely it does. With change comes need for innovation and adaptation. I don't have all the answers, and one of the biggest things I've thought of that I've seen no one mention is what happens when a player can make more in college off NIL than they could by being an undrafted free agent in the NFL....and then they challenge the rule about 4 years of eligibility, does the 4 years of eligibility rule limit a persons earnings potential at that point and break anti-trust laws? I'm not sure, but even with the unanswered questions and concerns, I will always back a persons ability to make money from their own name, image and likeness....especially when someone else is already making millions from it.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

You cannot put toothpaste back in the tube once squeezed out, a bell cannot be unrung after a tug on a rope ringing it, and in the 21st century USA the NCAA is not going to regulate how individual athletes manage their likenesses and promote products with contracted companies for whatever $s the market will allow. The collegiate institutions have nothing to do with it, you know just like coaches promote whatever for how much they can get in the market and the schools have no say. The courts are simply no longer going to sit idly by and allow athletes to have their economic freedom curtailed by an organization who has no contract with these athletes at all.

One has to remember what triggered all of this mess. The Supreme Court of the United States make the decision on which this case is based. Their decision will continue to be the base on which future NCAA rules will be measured if it remains a viable organization.

 

[OrangeInKy]

Yes, it isn't 1960. People had more common sense back then. You take a hint. Your opinion isn't the only one on this board. It makes no sense to pay players more than most of the coaches receive. That is insane. Do they deserve a nice sum of cash on top of all the free things they already receive? ABSOLUTELY! But, the NIL has gotten way too out of control too quickly. There needs to be some major limitations set on what these teenagers and young 20 yr olds receive to play. That is more of what the guy is saying!

Coaches starting to get insane million dollar contracts is what started some of this. Just to be clear, you’re all for a coach making 8 million a year and getting to control student athletes, while limiting what the student athlete can make. I’m sure you would have passed on making a million dollars in college. Look at UK basketball. Calipari likes to flex about these former players he has in the NBA, when he had most of them for 6 months. Who made who? Those guys were going to be in the league no matter where they went. Who is making it happen in college sports? It’s not your money. It’s not my money. If boosters and fans want to give to collectives and businesses want to make deals with college athletes, who are you to stop it or limit it? Coaches like Saban are mad because he thrives on control. He lost control. I’d much rather a guy like Chuck Webb have been able to make the money he deserved in 1989-90 than to blow his knee out and have little career afterward, when he was on his way ti making millions. But, he did get those free books, dorm, and tuition….
And you want to go back to that? There are so many stories like that.

 

[volfanhill]

You mark my word and remember it down the road. If they don't limit the NIL amounts, the players will be running the teams to a degree soon, not the coaches. The NIL is going to make college football a free agency. If I wanted to watch the NFL, I would watch football on Sundays instead of Saturdays. I don't even watch the NFL much anymore. The millionaires that play the game play with their pockets in mind instead of their hearts! Sure, college players play the way the play hoping to get that big payday in the NFL. I believe a lot of players will never reach their potential because they won't bust their asses to make it to the next level to make millions should they already have a few without much effort at all. The NIL is going to eventually make college athletics worse for the fans in many ways. You will see.

Oh no! People getting paid what the fair market dictates. How horrible. My love for college sports is not greater than my understanding of what's right. What's right is someone being able to earn whatever they can on their own NIL. To think otherwise is selfish as hell.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Your response was pretty spot on. I make my fall schedule based on Saturdays and football games. Next to my family, watching college football brings me as much joy as about anything could a person. However, I'll never put my wants above the rights of another. How can any person say "this person doesn't deserve this amount of money, much less is plenty enough". I just don't get how someone can think that they can put limits on another persons earning potential based on their own name, image, and likeness. Our love for the sport, is what has made NIL so lucrative for these players. For years and years we have enjoyed the entertainment and joy these players provide, unlimited highs and lows, while these players were expected to only get limited return as a scholarship (aside from the under the table things of course, just speaking in theory of how some people think).

With great freedom comes great responsibility, and yes I do believe these recruits need assistance as far as adults to help navigate them through NIL, through the university.....but as the saying goes, if they're old enough to pay the ultimate price and die for their country at war, then who is anyone else to tell them they're not old enough to take on the responsibility of anything else, especially getting paid. Some, even with education will make bad choices and fail because of getting the big pay day, others will not, they will prosper greatly and have their lives changed for the better, with an opportunity they would have previously never had....in the end it will work itself out like most everything else does in a free market (when its a truly free market).

Does this new world of NIL change things. Absolutely it does. With change comes need for innovation and adaptation. I don't have all the answers, and one of the biggest things I've thought of that I've seen no one mention is what happens when a player can make more in college off NIL than they could by being an undrafted free agent in the NFL....and then they challenge the rule about 4 years of eligibility, does the 4 years of eligibility rule limit a persons earnings potential at that point and break anti-trust laws? I'm not sure, but even with the unanswered questions and concerns, I will always back a persons ability to make money from their own name, image and likeness....especially when someone else is already making millions from it.

I've said from the start that I wished this could drag on for years and years, but the NCAA seems intent on getting themselves sued out of business.

My sad prediction is that "players are employees" is determined by the courts and "student athlete" status becomes "professional athlete."

The student requirements will disappear quickly with collective bargaining and become optional, if even that. The "4 year eligibility" will disappear because the players will be pro players and "college" will be as high in the pro leagues as some can rise, just as CFL or whatever the "flavor of the year" new pro football league is now.

You'll have old NFL players dropping down and guys that can't make it more than year or two in the NFL drop down.

All this requires drafts, free agency, salary cap, etc etc etc, the saddest part being a HS draft.

Could a kid who has WANTED to play in Knoxville since they could sing Rocky Top at age 2 be drafted by Alabama? Yes.

Can they enroll at UT and walk on with no scholarship, no pay, etc? I'm not sure how to make that work. Certainly no successful pro league survives without a hard draft system.

It's awful to imagine. I have no good solution to achieve parity in a pro league without a draft.

 

[MountainDooley]

Yes, it isn't 1960. People had more common sense back then. You take a hint. Your opinion isn't the only one on this board. It makes no sense to pay players more than most of the coaches receive. That is insane. Do they deserve a nice sum of cash on top of all the free things they already receive? ABSOLUTELY! But, the NIL has gotten way too out of control too quickly. There needs to be some major limitations set on what these teenagers and young 20 yr olds receive to play. That is more of what the guy is saying!

Why do you think it’s ok to cap the earning potential of a 20 year old? You going to cap the earning potential of a 20 year old musician? What about a 50 year old factory worker? Should we also cap their earning potential? At what age do you think someone needs to be before it’s ok to stop capping an individuals earning potential?

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

The Ncaa will be on us like stink on **** to find the least little offense in the future in all sports. We need to stay squeaky clean until the are put out of business, if that happens. It is the DNA for bureaucrats to exact revenge on people who beat or embarrass them.

Dangerous territory doing that, at that point it looks like a witch hunt and would probably end up back in court. And they don’t need that publicity. It only makes them look like the uneven justice cherry pickers they are. The NCAA’s leverage power is at a all time low. If Tennessee wins and NCAA keeps trying to rail strong arm tactics I think the sec and big 10 will just break away because it will only be a matter of time before they would have to look at other schools with the same veracity. GBO