State of the Union Address

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volinbham said:
The Sputnik irony is that Obama slashed NASA spending.
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I'm no fan of Obama, but it's actually a wise move to parlay the risk and liability on privatized development under NASA supervision (NASA and SpaceX's Dragon/Falcon).

The "back to the moon" mission was scrapped in favor of going to Mars.... which is more ambitious and, in the end, more fruitful. The liability and cost of failure had to be put on private sector. MDA has already gone this way (launch vehicle and a bulk of systems development) and NASA is just now going this route.
 
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what kills me is that hussein acts like we didn't spend a peny on 'shovel ready' projects. I'm supprise he didn't lose his balance from running in circles.
 
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no mention of Israel, was it little or no mention on Iran. yet he's obsessed with bridges, roads, and bullet trains. sounds like a broken record on that subject. personally i'm a little more concerned with Iran than having a pot hole on my street.
 
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vol mania 21 said:
no mention of israel, was it little or no mention on iran. Yet he's obsessed with government bridges, government roads, and government bullet trains. Sounds like a broken record on that subject. Personally i'm a little more concerned with iran than having a pot hole on my street.
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obviously 1trillion isn't enough to pave roads, we need 3 or 4.
 
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VolGal423 said:
Well...sort of but NCLB doesn't work, it was instituted with good intentions. Race to the Top is a big deal and so far seems to be working. Also the part about not just memorizing but being analytical. That's where other countries have beat us in the past. It's become a big focus for us now.
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Not so. Other countries are only better at the analytical parts because their kids know the facts and ours don't.
 
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VolGal423 said:
Not anymore. They are formulating tests that now require 3rd graders to explain their thinking/answer on standardized tests.
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That seems wrong-headed to me. I would think 3rd-graders are too young on average (Piaget and all that) to truly explain their abstract reasoning.

Besides, 3rd-graders are still young enough that they don't yet think fact-learning is boring.

Let them learn facts at that age, lots of them. And test them on that.

JMO.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
now offense but bullchit.

State standards are pathetic.

Compare state standards to a top private school and the state's standards are extremely lower.

Public schools are a joke.
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Ya, probably, but it's not the standards that make them a joke. It's the kids and the parents and the teachers and the admins.
 
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StepCross said:
Not so. Other countries are only better at the analytical parts because their kids know the facts and ours don't.
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the fact is government schools have placed their union's political agenda over the education of our kids.

I guess the good thing about this, by the time my kids are grown, they should have no competition in getting a job. of course the china takeover should be complete by then, so it may not matter.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Wish your standards were as high as you teachers pretend they are and I wouldn't have to send 3 kids to private school at 7750 bucks per kid. Thanks teachers.
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Don't blame the teachers. If the job were more attractive, more talented people would go into it.

Face it, teachers have sucky jobs, and most people don't want to fool with the bad pay and the overbearing admins and the critical parents and the disrespectful kids.
 
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StepCross said:
Don't blame the teachers. If the job were more attractive, more talented people would go into it.

Face it, teachers have sucky jobs, and most people don't want to fool with the bad pay and the overbearing admins and the critical parents and the disrespectful kids.
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why do teachers in small private schools, that get half the pay as public school teachers, keep teaching?

why do small private schools produce much higher results, though they have half the budget as government schools.
 
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StepCross said:
Don't blame the teachers. If the job were more attractive, more talented people would go into it.

Face it, teachers have sucky jobs, and most people don't want to fool with the bad pay and the overbearing admins and the critical parents and the disrespectful kids.
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ridiculous

3 months off a year. great lifestyle. generous pensions.
 
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utvolpj said:
where do private school teachers make less money than public?
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I'm not talking about elite private school, i'm talking about small Christian and private schools.

these teacher don't get half the pay than government school teachers get but the average test scores are much higher.
 
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I agree that it's not completely the teachers fault. it all comes down to parent responsibility. however, if you're stuck in an area that has bad schools, you should have the freedom to get school grants and put you kids in a private school.
 
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in california almost no private teachers make more than public school teacher. particurally if you include the pensions.
 
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joevol320 said:
I'm not talking about elite private school, i'm talking about small Christian and private schools.

these teacher don't get half the pay than government school teachers get but the average test scores are much higher.
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your facts are wrong.

droski said:
in california almost no private teachers make more than public school teacher. particurally if you include the pensions.
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I'm going off what I know of TN. But I can't see where any public teacher is making 2x a private one getting better results
 
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utvolpj said:
I'm going off what I know of TN. But I can't see where any public teacher is making 2x a private one getting better results
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if you include pensions and benefits most public school teachers in california make at least 1/2 more than their private counterparts. probably far more if you think about the fact they can retire after 30 years with 80% of their last years income in retirement.
 
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droski said:
he absolutely right in my experience.
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like I said I'm going off what I know of TN (and a couple other places)

droski said:
if you include pensions and benefits most public school teachers in california make at least 1/2 more than their private counterparts.
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I would guess CA is a bit different than most other states when it comes to that
 
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joevol320 said:
why do teachers in small private schools, that get half the pay as public school teachers, keep teaching?

why do small private schools produce much higher results, though they have half the budget as government schools.
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Not sure if you are including the Charter schools. They absolutely do not show any improvement over public schools.

If you simply mean private schools, the answer is obvious, joe.

Part of the grandness, the beauty, the philosophy which sent men and women to die on the barricades is a public school takes EVERYBODY and tries to give them an education.

I think education needs a big reboot in our times (it's still based on an assembly line, modernist, penetentiary model), but the idea of trying to educate EVERYBODY is among the highest human ideals.
 
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the fact remains that the average private school spends less per student than public schools in many states so it doesn't seem $$$ is the problem.
 
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utvolpj said:
your facts are wrong.



I'm going off what I know of TN. But I can't see where any public teacher is making 2x a private one getting better results
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Kings Academy in Seymour and Webb are the only two in the Knoxville area comparable with public schools.
 
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