State of the Union Address

#429
#429
joevol320 said:
why do teachers in small private schools, that get half the pay as public school teachers, keep teaching?
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Probably for idealistic reasons, if you're talking about small religious schools. They teach there because they believe in the religious mission of the school.

That's fine for them, but personally I wouldn't want to base educating several hundred million people in the country on the hope that I could find enough teachers who were idealistic enough to do it cheaply, and talented enough to do it well.

joevol320 said:
why do small private schools produce much higher results, though they have half the budget as government schools.
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Because they have better students, parents who care more, and they can easily weed out any discipline problems they want to.
 
#431
#431
bam15 said:
Throw in health. My econ was tied in with social studies.
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we actually had a separate class taught by a baseball coach. Of course the whole class consisted of "here's $10k in play money. See who can grow it fastest in the stock market while I take a nap"

I will say there were coaches that actually taught. My soccer coach was also my AP Physics teacher and my basketball coach taught honors Chem. Rest were pretty useless though
 
#432
#432
bam15 said:
So you would take 5-6-7 years of college to make 45K? I don't know how about you, but I don't shoot for making 45k.
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I would have to compare how easy the job is and the amount of stress involved to the salary to say what is worth it or not.

45K for a job that you can't be fired from, is never going to get downsized, and you have 3 months off is not a bad gig.

Also, education does not dictate salary. We have had this debate on here before but education is not a factor.
 
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#435
StepCross said:
Probably for idealistic reasons, if you're talking about small religious schools. They teach there because they believe in the religious mission of the school.
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they teach there because they aren't going to get shot at and the kids and parents care and therefore the feel they are making a real difference. in my experience it's not about them being true believers.
 
#438
#438
bam15 said:
Oh, I don't know.

This is like saying your parent's contribution to society is/was worthless.
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My father is a high level exec at Nationwide. I am second generation insurance lol. Neither of us have contributed to society in anyway whatsoever. From the minute both of us wake up we make decisions based on blanket generalizations.

Your parents have contributed more to society than any of my family ever has or will. I'm sure though, they would love to see a mjor overhaul of the system.
 
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#440
droski said:
they teach there because they aren't going to get shot at and the kids and parents care and therefore the feel they are making a real difference. in my experience it's not about them being true believers.
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I think that depends on the school and the culture of the school.
 
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#441
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
I would have to compare how easy the job is and the amount of stress involved to the salary to say what is worth it or not.

45K for a job that you can't be fired from, is never going to get downsized, and you have 3 months off is not a bad gig.

Also, education does not dictate salary. We have had this debate on here before but education is not a factor.
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this is exactly correct. teaching is a great quality of life. there is a give and take for any profession.
 
#443
#443
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
45K to work 9 months and nice benefits is not next to nothing. That's not a great salary but it is also not horrible. It's middle income. I would say teachers should be middle income.

And yes, the teachers union does more harm than good in this country.
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This site puts it at 38,000.

If you're one member of a two-income family, then 38,000 is better than nothing, and probably helps out.

If you're the sole provider for your family and you have kids, then 38,000 is not enough to live on.

And from what I hear, it's rarely 9 months of work. You have to work about a month of the summer when it comes down to it, and you have to take work home in the evenings.

I wouldn't do it. If it came down to it, and I found myself unemployed, I'd sooner look for a manual labor job than put up with the red tape, unruly kids, critical parents, and low salary of a high school teaching job.
 
#445
#445
utvolpj said:
there is a lot of stress in being a teacher. They work long hours that most never see
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compared to what? once you have been teaching for a while all your lesson plans are already made. you work from what 8am-2pm? you have some grading true. but you have summers off and every bs holiday. certainly not a difficult job compared to most.
 
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#446
StepCross said:
This site puts it at 38,000.

If you're one member of a two-income family, then 38,000 is better than nothing, and probably helps out.

If you're the sole provider for your family and you have kids, then 38,000 is not enough to live on.

And from what I hear, it's rarely 9 months of work. You have to work about a month of the summer when it comes down to it, and you have to take work home in the evenings.

I wouldn't do it. If it came down to it, and I found myself unemployed, I'd sooner look for a manual labor job than put up with the red tape, unruly kids, critical parents, and low salary of a high school teaching job.
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how many jobs these days pay enough for only one person in the family to work?
 
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#447
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
I would have to compare how easy the job is and the amount of stress involved to the salary to say what is worth it or not.

45K for a job that you can't be fired from, is never going to get downsized, and you have 3 months off is not a bad gig.

Also, education does not dictate salary. We have had this debate on here before but education is not a factor.
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You can't be fired from? Are you serious? You try educating kids who dress themselves in first/second grade. They have no one to turn to when they get home, because their parents are high on oxycodone, and are useful for only walking to the mailbox. The kids can't help what they have to deal with. Their parents are pathetic. When the parents don't take the time to help their kids, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Thus more teachers having to put extra time in to help these poor kids. Private schools get to nitpick their kids. The best of the best. I would hope they could educate. 45k is crap for multiple degrees.
 
#448
#448
StepCross said:
If you're the sole provider for your family and you have kids, then 38,000 is not enough to live on.
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that isn't the problem of the profession nor the local education system. Single parent with a professional degree who also has kids and only making 38k is a result of his or her individual decision making.
 
#449
#449
One thing I will say on here about myself is that I do generalize. In insurance we base everything on where you live, your gender, your credit score, and your age. Driving record factors in but the same driving record will change base on different credit ratings. I have been in this business so long that I have learned you can judge a person very quickly but the territory they live and credit. I know this sounds wrong but it is sadly very true. I know this rubs some people the wrong way and I apoligize if it does. I simply take the over all stat for that segment and blanket the subject.

There a very good public school teachers. The union needs to go though.
 
#450
#450
droski said:
compared to what? once you have been teaching for a while all your lesson plans are already made. you work from what 8am-2pm? you have some grading true. but you have summers off and every bs holiday. certainly not a difficult job compared to most.
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8-2? Not really. And with the yearly changes to curriculum the plans are never quite the same

from what I saw it's a job I wouldn't want to do
 
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