State of the Union Address

#451
#451
droski said:
compared to what? once you have been teaching for a while all your lesson plans are already made. you work from what 8am-2pm? you have some grading true. but you have summers off and every bs holiday. certainly not a difficult job compared to most.
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8-2. What school is that?
 
#453
#453
MG1968 said:
that isn't the problem of the profession nor the local education system. Single parent with a professional degree who also has kids and only making 38k is a result of his or her individual decision making.
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Very true.

So because they made bad decsions we have to pay them more.
 
#454
#454
utvolpj said:
8-2? Not really. And with the yearly changes to curriculum the plans are never quite the same

from what I saw it's a job I wouldn't want to do
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i don't know a single teacher that works long hours and i know quite a few (at least a dozen?). not a one.
 
#458
#458
MG1968 said:
that isn't the problem of the profession nor the local education system. Single parent with a professional degree who also has kids and only making 38k is a result of his or her individual decision making.
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True!

The better decision for a head of household would be to DO SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES TEACH, SO YOU CAN SUPPORT YOUR FAMILY.

Which is exactly my point!

Talented people who have any sense DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

Which means: who is teaching our kids?

(Hint: it's not talented people who had other options and made good life decisions)
 
#459
#459
bam15 said:
Absolutely.
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No offense but seriously?

I would disagree.

Stress is having a job you can't control. A job that is meant to be contained with quotas that are not intended by higher ups to be hit but a set for you to hit them. Stress is having a higher quota this year than the last year that you barely made it and knowing it will spike again and just throwing your hands up and laughing.

There are stressful jobs out there but on a 1 to 10 scale teaching is not near the top.
 
#461
#461
droski said:
compared to what? once you have been teaching for a while all your lesson plans are already made. you work from what 8am-2pm? you have some grading true. but you have summers off and every bs holiday. certainly not a difficult job compared to most.
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Granted, I only taught for a couple of years and never felt like I could skate on the lesson plans, but I found teaching to be very stressful and time consuming.

Between lesson planning, grading, parent conferences, bus duty and then trying to keep the students engaged for an hour and a half at a time with 10 minute breaks in between, I found it to be the most difficult job I ever had. Of course, my biggest flaw was I tried too hard and wanted them to learn something.

Designing aircraft structure is way easier.
 
#462
#462
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
I would place a teacher in the middle income bracket no matter how much education they have. Am I wrong?
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No, it's pretty low on the income bracket.

I'm not being rude, but couldn't most of us stumble out of bed in a new city tomorrow and find a job making more than 38k?
 
#463
#463
StepCross said:
True!

The better decision for a head of household would be to DO SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES TEACH, SO YOU CAN SUPPORT YOUR FAMILY.

Which is exactly my point!

Talented people who have any sense DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

Which means: who is teaching our kids?

(Hint: it's not talented people who had other options and made good life decisions)
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Sadly this is true in most cases.
 
#464
#464
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Very true.

So because they made bad decsions we have to pay them more.
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NO!

We should pay teachers more so that we attract people capable of making GOOD decisions into the profession.

Why would we want the profession to be such that everyone capable of doing something else will? If that's what we want, then we can't complain one bit when our kids don't get much out of the experience.
 
#465
#465
StepCross said:
No, it's pretty low on the income bracket.

I'm not being rude, but couldn't most of us stumble out of bed in a new city tomorrow and find a job making more than 38k?
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yes you could. But let's be honest can't most people stumble into a teaching degree and get a teaching job.
 
#466
#466
vader said:
Granted, I only taught for a couple of years and never felt like I could skate on the lesson plans, but I found teaching to be very stressful and time consuming.

Between lesson planning, grading, parent conferences, bus duty and then trying to keep the students engaged for an hour and a half at a time with 10 minute breaks in between, I found it to be the most difficult job I ever had. Of course, my biggest flaw was I tried too hard and wanted them to learn something.

Designing aircraft structure is way easier.
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what people find stressful is a person by person situation. are you arguing you worked longer hours on average?
 
#467
#467
38k to 45K means most trained people can do your job.

We're also talking the position not the person.

This is not an attack on the person themselves saying they are not smart.
 
#468
#468
droski said:
fine 8-3 and with a period off and lunch breaks. so MAYBE 6 hours total? you are telling me they do more than 2 hours of grading and planning a night? only if they are idiots.
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No, not really.

Most have to get there by 7:30, early duty days around 6:45-7. School doesn't get out until 3:30. Teachers can't leave until 4. Professional Development days and department meetings after school; bus duty; parent conferences; tutoring

Once you factor in grading for 30+ kid classes, and planning. No, it's not 6 hours.
 
#469
#469
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
No offense but seriously?

I would disagree.

Stress is having a job you can't control.
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Like having 30 17-year-olds in a classroom who don't want to be there and who know there is absolutely no consequence for anything they do?

And having a few in the room who want to learn, but you can't teach them anything because the environment is so distracting?

That's not stressful?
 
#470
#470
StepCross said:
NO!

We should pay teachers more so that we attract people capable of making GOOD decisions into the profession.

Why would we want the profession to be such that everyone capable of doing something else will? If that's what we want, then we can't complain one bit when our kids don't get much out of the experience.
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the real question is do you need truly brilliant and talented people to find good teachers. particurally at teh k-8 level. i'd argue no and that the evidence suggests there are plenty of people willing to do this job with the perks they have.
 
#471
#471
StepCross said:
I'm not being rude, but couldn't most of us stumble out of bed in a new city tomorrow and find a job making more than 38k?
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right now? Not a choice I would want

Ihatethebuckeyes said:
yes you could. But let's be honest can't most people stumble into a teaching degree and get a teaching job.
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and you don't even need a degree to sell insurance. What's your point again?
 
#472
#472
bam15 said:
No, not really.

Most have to get there by 7:30, early duty days around 6:45-7. School doesn't get out until 3:30. Teachers can't leave until 4. Professional Development days and department meetings after school; bus duty; parent conferences; tutoring

Once you factor in grading for 30+ kid classes, and planning. No, it's not 6 hours.
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i'm talking 6 hours of real work.
 
#473
#473
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
yes you could. But let's be honest can't most people stumble into a teaching degree and get a teaching job.
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Yes. But why would we want it to be that way?

Again, we complain about the results, but the job is so weakly paid that anyone here could do better, and so easy to get into that any fool off the streets could do the job.

Seems a bad plan, to me.
 
#474
#474
StepCross said:
Yes. But why would we want it to be that way?

Again, we complain about the results, but the job is so weakly paid that anyone here could do better, and so easy to get into that any fool off the streets could do the job.

Seems a bad plan, to me.
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if it's such a crappy job with such lousy pay how come the demand for such jobs is so high? i assure you that here in california there are far more applicants than jobs available.
 
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