Stephen Hargis...Please release your "info"

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LOL let me guess SOURCES . sorry been there done that .

Let us Pontificate ...The Big Boosters are in charge , AD Hart will not dare to cross them .

OHHH NOOOes Hart crossed the big boosters and we are dead .

Please do explain the obvious discrepancy from those 2 stances .
 
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BruinVol said:
The story that needs to be told is the truth behind strong saying no. Those answers would lead us to fixing issues that need to be fixed IMO. The gruden story will tell us nothing that would help us with our leadership issues IMO. Knowing what the red flags were for strong would certainly help going forward.
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It wasnt about not wanting to be part of our family....some people are just proud to be with the family they are with.... dont know why its so hard for some people to not take personally was more about being happy where he was

Thank god some people still believe in being faithful to something besides $$$
 
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It's obvious what happened. Gruden said he would listen because he loves attention but before a meeting could be set he backed off. Gundy just wanted his AD's attention so he played along with Hart. Strong had alot of interest in the job and may have even told Hart he was taking it but for whatever reason backed out. Maybe he played UT maybe he didn't we'll never know for sure. Butch Jones actively pursued the job and in the end got it. Case closed. It's rare for any school to hire the guy they target first and it's not really a big deal that CBJ may have been realistically our 3rd choice. There are alot of good coaches and being 3rd choice doesn't make you a bad coach or not as good as the other two. I like Strong but he isn't a ball of fire like CBJ seems to be. I like a guy who is going to sell UT 24/7.

I say 3rd because I don't include Gruden. To include him means we would have to include Saban, Chip kelley, Jim Harbaugh etc since we would also take any of them. We had just as much chance of landing them as we did Gruden.
 
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beachbums624 said:
Really ? show me a link to an article that says JON GRUDEN SAYS . Its easy right ?

Jeebus , show me ANYTHING that came from Jon Gruden . It's easy RIGHT .
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Of course JG didn't discuss his non-job publicly while being employed by someone else. Many of these jobs are preferred to be done behind the scenes bc media coverage makes the process too messy for all involved.

Whatever the case, I will simply reference GVX247 where they reported multiple confirmations of JG asking Bisaccia, for example, to be on his staff if he took the job, and the TFP article you seemed to want to gloss over which cited sources on the record that the negotiations were close but had come down to staff money. Startis, who wrote the TFP article, came on multiple radio shows around TN and further stated he had seen text messages between Gruden and the staff member confirming Gruden had every intention and expectation of being the next coach.

So, this information is now part of the public record. I'm sure if you want you can find them with little to no problem. This information has, to this point, never been disputed.

My only point was
 
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CoachClick said:
Most of us beieve that you are a very credible source. I know a lot of us are VERY interested in what your take is on what happened behind the scenes with the Gruden situation.

I want to know exactly what went on, in your opinion, with the Gruden debacle.

Please let the world know, I believe we deserve it.
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Do you really think hargis is gonna come on this board and spill his guts? If he knew anything he would probably be breaking his fingers writing an article. That's what those guy do.
 
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CoachClick said:
This is exactly my point. I want to know more about our AD and what happened with the "deal".

Supposedly there was more to this than we know with the AD being the issue. THIS is what I want to know. I could care a less about Gruden at this point, I want to know more about our AD and whether or not he was the issue behind the non-hire.

That's all.
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Plain and simple...they could not stand to be "gone over" by the money. The problem is that money is the life blood of the program. All that cool technology the Faculty always wants so it can sit idle in the classroom and the scholarships that pay their salary and the football revenue that builds their facilities is going to be hard to come by for a long while.

When they realize it, they can only blame themselves but they will blame 2 people.
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
Do you really think hargis is gonna come on this board and spill his guts? If he knew anything he would probably be breaking his fingers writing an article. That's what those guy do.
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I would bet that you are real good at checkers but you suck at chess.
 
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Hargis was making it all up or he is really stupid and reporting message board rumors he read here. He covers HS sports.
 
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MSCE09 said:
Hargis was making it all up or he is really stupid and reporting message board rumors he read here. He covers HS sports.
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Doubt it. He put his career on the line with what he said. Listen to his interview with Basilio and say he is stupid or repeating message board rumors.
 
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MSCE09 said:
Hargis was making it all up or he is really stupid and reporting message board rumors he read here. He covers HS sports.
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He got his name out there, didn't he. That's why you see these stations and news reporting more bs than in the past. People love drama. News stations and paper media are taking a beating. People need attention to try to get readers. Clay, finebaum, basilio, hyams...none of them care if their info is accurate, and it doesn't have to be accurate to report it. Those guys are no different
 
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alexconner said:
Doubt it. He put his career on the line with what he said. Listen to his interview with Basilio and say he is stupid or repeating message board rumors.
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When something like this is vetted and put in print by an award winning news organization it is considered fact.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
He got his name out there, didn't he. That's why you see these stations and news reporting more bs than in the past. People love drama. News stations and paper media are taking a beating. People need attention to try to get readers. Clay, finebaum, basilio, hyams...none of them care if their info is accurate, and it doesn't have to be accurate to report it. Those guys are no different
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Sparta you sound like a good guy but I am surprised that you do not mind stuff like this happening to your school and the people that built it to what it has been.
 
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Look guys, idk how to spell it out any clearer. Stephen Hargis' article was 100% fact. The TFP doesn't pull reporting crap. It has won national awards for it's highly accurate and well produced journalism.

The only question is whether or not the facts will come out. If you scoff at it and blow it off because you just refuse to believe that UT actually was close to pulling off the biggest hire in NCAA history, you're refusing to see reality. Gruden was close, and something big time blew up between the powers that be.

I've lived in Chattanooga for 20 years. The TFP doesn't screw around.
 
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Mike4Vols said:
I disagree Bruin. Knowing the whole story will tell us EXACTLY what's wrong with our leadership. Clearly, there's something very dysfunctional about the relationship between our AD, the university, and the boosters. The sooner we expose the backroom shenanigans, the quicker these problems can be fixed. Fact: this coaching search was an embarrassing train wreck. I (personally) would like to know why. That's not an indictment of Coach Jones. I will support him as I've done every coach.
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Phil Fulmer said this week there were issues at UT and he did not just become dumb the last two years. I mean what more do you need to know things are not just a bed of roses up there. I hope CBJ can succeed despite whatever crap is going on up there. Good luck to him and GBO
 
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warrior said:
Sparta you sound like a good guy but I am surprised that you do not mind stuff like this happening to your school and the people that built it to what it has been.
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It's life man. Ups and downs. I was there when we started 0-6. I was there in '98. And what was built started crumbling ahwile ago.
No choice but to roll with it, or go somewhere else, imo.

If TN football is such a big priority that you can't take it, your priorities are jacked up.
 
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SolidRockGolf said:
Do you think that if he had bad info that he would actually say so? No! Who would believe him? Who would follow him?

He will no doubt throw someone else in the fire before hurting his followers count/$$$.

My point is no matter what he says its very possible it's a spin to save face. If you take his point now after all the bad info then it's shame on you!!!
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He does not have a pay site and mostly covers high school sports.
 
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To play with the big boys you have to pay with the: big boys. When UT decides it wants to compete with the big boys it will pay what the big boys require. Then UT will be competitive again and not before.
 
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JacketVol said:
Phil Fulmer said this week there were issues at UT and he did not just become dumb the last two years. I mean what more do you need to know things are not just a bed of roses up there. I hope CBJ can succeed despite whatever crap is going on up there. Good luck to him and GBO
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Phillip Fuller would have my full support as Ad. At least I know he loves the school. He also did not unceremoniously push out a Volume legend. P S.

I can not believe the sheep stood for that.

There is a trump card of I ever saw one.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
It's life man. Ups and downs. I was there when we started 0-6. I was there in '98. And what was built started crumbling ahwile ago.
No choice but to roll with it, or go somewhere else, imo.

If TN football is such a big priority that you can't take it, your priorities are jacked up.
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As long as I can remember it is why kids grew up wanting to go to Tn. It was their dream.
 
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2for2VOL said:
Look guys, idk how to spell it out any clearer. Stephen Hargis' article was 100% fact. The TFP doesn't pull reporting crap. It has won national awards for it's highly accurate and well produced journalism.

The only question is whether or not the facts will come out. If you scoff at it and blow it off because you just refuse to believe that UT actually was close to pulling off the biggest hire in NCAA history, you're refusing to see reality. Gruden was close, and something big time blew up between the powers that be.

I've lived in Chattanooga for 20 years. The TFP doesn't screw around.
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you couldn't be more wrong. I tried to tell you guys for 10 threads, but you wouldn't listen.
This is the last time I will tell you again. You are dead wrong about him being close to signing a contract, just as the others were dead wrong saying it was a done deal with signed mou's and other bull**** that never happened.
 
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It is why I went to UT. I wanted to be a part of it.

Yea. I would say that football at UT is important. That is before money even comes into play.
 
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