Stop with the C Strong bashing

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MemphianVol said:
...and Chizik was 5-19 overall at ISU & 2-14 in conference before he was hired at AU. Are you seriously going to compare CCS to THAT? That's closer to Dooley status.
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Look at something besides the overall records.

Age, carreer trajectory, total number of national title rings, SEC background....all similar.

My point is that one season shouldn't define a coach, good or bad.

Chizik isn't being defined by his national title season or the title he helped texas win this year.

I am not going to define Charlie Strong on making a BCS bowl in a weak conference this year either.

By that logic,why didn't Hart look at Dave Doeren? he is in a BCS bowl this year too.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Look at something besides the overall records.

Age, carreer trajectory, total number of national title rings, SEC background....all similar.

My point is that one season shouldn't define a coach, good or bad.

Chizik isn't being defined by his national title season or the title he helped texas win this year.

I am not going to define Charlie Strong on making a BCS bowl in a weak conference this year either.

By that logic,why didn't Hart look at Dave Doeren? he is in a BCS bowl this year too.
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I'm not defining Charlie Strong by one season. Kragthorpe & Petrino left a mess there & I'd say that his body of work indicates that he's trending in the right direction. You're asking me to ignore pretty much the only tangible information that can be used to evaluate a coach & are throwing out a bunch of other stuff in its place. There's simply no comparison between the Chizik & Strong hires if he's our guy.
 
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#228
Charlie Strong was a dominant defensive coordinator in the SEC for 10 years. He's got strong recruiting ties in Florida and South Carolina, two states full of players. He took over a complete dumpster fire in Louisville as head coach and took them to 10 wins in three years.

I honestly don't know what the hell you guys are expecting. Gruden was a fantasy. Bob Stoops isn't coming. Chris Peterson won't leave Boise for anybody. Who the hell else would have been "exciting" enough for you people? Charlie Strong is a damn good football coach. If we hire him, he will recruit a lot of great players and win a lot of football games. The comparisons to Dooley, who was never a coordinator and who had a terrible record as HC, are stupid. A lot of you people are stupid.
 
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TacomaJPP said:
The mere statement of "give the guy a chance" automatically indicates that he isn't proven.

As I recall, Hart indicated three characteristics he wanted in a coach:

1) Integrity - CCS seems to fit that bill.

2) Knows the SEC well - Spent 8 years or so at UF. CCS would probably fit that bill as well.

3) A proven head coach - Ah, now the thickening of the plot. "Proven" is whatever each internet Rambo defines it as. However, after 3 short seasons at UL, I can't say that this Internet Rambo believes CCS is "proven."

Facts:

a) 3 season as a HC

b) Record: 7-6, 7-6, and 10-2

c) Season with 10-2 record his wins came against opponents with a combined winning percentage of 39.8%.

Summary: It does appear that UL is in better shape with Strong. No doubt. It appears Strong has brought a lot of Florida talent to UL (I saw some stats on it and can't find them now). However, the question remains, does this translate to Tennessee and to the SEC? My fear is that it may not. I believe any objective person should be asking this question. It isn't bashing, it should be considered rational questions. Is CSS going to be able to compete against some of the best, experienced folks in the game? Spurrier, Saban, Miles, Richt and Miles (okay, the last two are debatable, but do have success).

CSS is not a proven, big-name coach to my mind. Did/do we have bigger, better options? I don't know. I'm just not sure that we are going to rise to the top of the SEC with CSS. Of course, if we get him, I will support him and hope he does a great job. Ultimately, if he were proven, we wouldn't have these questions.

The thing about guys like CSS is are they the next big thing, or are they just the next thing? I was hoping UT would not be a proving grounds for someone.
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The first two years he had Krag. players and his own recruits were young. By year three there should be good results and there were.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Charlie Strong was a dominant defensive coordinator in the SEC for 10 years. He's got strong recruiting ties in Florida and South Carolina, two states full of players. He took over a complete dumpster fire in Louisville as head coach and took them to 10 wins in three years.

I honestly don't know what the hell you guys are expecting. Gruden was a fantasy. Bob Stoops isn't coming. Chris Peterson won't leave Boise for anybody. Who the hell else would have been "exciting" enough for you people? Charlie Strong is a damn good football coach. If we hire him, he will recruit a lot of great players and win a lot of football games. The comparisons to Dooley, who was never a coordinator and who had a terrible record as HC, are stupid. A lot of you people are stupid.
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This needs to be stickied.
 
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coach31 said:
The first two years he had Krag. players and his own recruits were young. By year three there should be good results and there were.
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So you are saying he has one actual year that we can base his performance on?

Proves my exact point. You can't calculate a linear regression with one data point.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Charlie Strong was a dominant defensive coordinator in the SEC for 10 years. He's got strong recruiting ties in Florida and South Carolina, two states full of players. He took over a complete dumpster fire in Louisville as head coach and took them to 10 wins in three years.

I honestly don't know what the hell you guys are expecting. Gruden was a fantasy. Bob Stoops isn't coming. Chris Peterson won't leave Boise for anybody. Who the hell else would have been "exciting" enough for you people? Charlie Strong is a damn good football coach. If we hire him, he will recruit a lot of great players and win a lot of football games. The comparisons to Dooley, who was never a coordinator and who had a terrible record as HC, are stupid. A lot of you people are stupid.
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Post of the day!
 
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I'm not here to bash CCS. I'm not here to say that he will or won't do a good job.

I'm just saying that he doesn't have years of experience as a head coach. Therefore, comments pertaining to how well he will or won't do are based on people's feelings or interpretations on very little data.
 
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#240
I'll stop bashing Charlie Strong if he comes to UT and wins. If he don't I will bash away.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Charlie Strong was a dominant defensive coordinator in the SEC for 10 years. He's got strong recruiting ties in Florida and South Carolina, two states full of players. He took over a complete dumpster fire in Louisville as head coach and took them to 10 wins in three years.

I honestly don't know what the hell you guys are expecting. Gruden was a fantasy. Bob Stoops isn't coming. Chris Peterson won't leave Boise for anybody. Who the hell else would have been "exciting" enough for you people? Charlie Strong is a damn good football coach. If we hire him, he will recruit a lot of great players and win a lot of football games. The comparisons to Dooley, who was never a coordinator and who had a terrible record as HC, are stupid. A lot of you people are stupid.
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Strong was a great assistant coach at Florida.

He has done a good job at Loserville.

But he is not a coach who can turn things around here.
 
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