Stop with the C Strong bashing

[AV_12]

All this talk of Strong making a BCS bowl.

Chizik won a national title, how is he looking right now?

Good comparison... Not

 

[LookinUp]

Bashing??? Are we supposed to jump up and down with glee? Where's the home run hire? Its not there. We have been sacked by UT. The joke is on us. No, I take that back. The joke is on those that support this hire and go to the games.

 

[Gramps]

Listen folks, gramps and juggernaut will not list their choice. They simply want to bash. Plain and simple so save your breath.

I would be for any top tier coach. Strong is not top tier. Not one person in this thread has ranks him as a top tier coach in SEC.

I would approach Shaw, Petersen, Patterson,
Roman(?) the OC of 49ers. Show them the money, make them say no
We need a wow hire.

Of the group of names being rumored I would pick Fedora. He is 42-23 as HC.
12-2 in 2011 at Southern Miss, beat Kevin Sumlins Houston's team in CUSACG 49-28
He was OC at FL and OK ST

He has proven more than Strong per their records.

 

[theFallGuy]

Stoops, Franklin, Sumlin, Malzahn, Freeze, Mullen

lol at Mullen

 

[JuggernaUT_VOL]

So since you're not the AD, just share your opinion as a UT fan. Who would like the UTAD to hire?

I guess your illiterate so I'll spell it out again...

Home Run

Grand Slam

Top of the Line

Strong doesn't fit that bill...

Agree to disagree if you think he is..

Like I stated earlier untill we shell out the cash for some like Gruden, Stoops etc... We will keep taken chances on these up and comers and in 3-4 years be in the same boat... Ask Bama ... They got the point shelled out the cash and are reaping the benefits... Dang I hate them...

 

[Minibull]

We gave an unproven Lane Kiffin a chance and he burned us.....

We gave an unproven Derek Dooley a chance and he scorched us.....

We gave an unproven Charlie Strong a chance and he.....

Well that's the problem and why some of us don't want him.....been thru it twice

No, Kiffen wasn't unproven, he was decent coach with NFL head coaching experience and also a was scummy sleeze-ball that dumped us quicker than you can say "USC".

Dooley WAS the unproven one as he wasn't even a coordinator in college before becoming the head coach at a small school.

Smart has SEC experience and improved his old team each year. That doesn't mean he'll automatically lead us to a national championship the first year, but he definitely has a big leg up on Dooley....

 

[HoneyDooDoo]

You guys telling everyone to stop the bashing while bashing others that don't share your opinion is kind of ironic. Everyone has their own opinion of who would work and who wouldn't work. I'm of the opinion that there are and we're other quality coaches besides strong. Hart said he wanted a big hire and to make a splash. This is not it in my opinion. Honestly it's my opinion that we didn't finish the Gruden deal bc hart got butt hurt over the donors trying take care of Tennessee football with their own money but hart wanted to do it on his own. So now we probably have strong. Forgive me if I don't jump up and down. What do you think happens when Mack leaves Texas? Muschamp to Texas. Strong to Florida and then we are back to where we are now. Btw the way, if you don't want to invite people to bash the hire of strong, you probably shouldn't title the thread not to bash him. You are practically inviting it.

 

[Doolittle 1720]

Bashing??? Are we supposed to jump up and down with glee? Where's the home run hire? Its not there. We have been sacked by UT. The joke is on us. No, I take that back. The joke is on those that support this hire and go to the games.

Prepare your self to be called names.

 

[Gramps]

Strong

based on what criteria?

He does not come close per records.

 

[Domestic Silence]

Forgive me for what I say when the same Dooley idiots are the ones thinking Strong is the next Bear Bryant.

I'm surprised it took Hart 3 weeks to make this bargain bin hire.

 

[volfan711]

I love how some people just think you throw money out there and names like Stoops and Patterson will come running. No one knows who has been contacted, but do you not think if Hart has his reputation at stake that he would make the best hire that he could make?

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Got a point there. I think Hart may be overlooking him because he thinks he'll bring most of his staff with him...having little to no ties to the South eastern part of the country in recruiting.

I think that's a concern, but not enough to overlook his long record of success and coaching above his talent level.

I have the utmost respect for Patterson, the guy built that program up and has been putting guys in the NFL and winning big for several years now with hand me downs from Texas and Oklahoma.

He held his own with a back up quarterback most of this first season in the Big 12.

I think he would have been smart enough to pepper the staff with some holdovers(Graham and Pittman maybe) and going after some other offensive guys that had SEC ties.

He should have been a loud and clear #1 and forced to say no publicly IMO.

I am not going on an all out assault on Strong until he starts losing but there are more than enough red flags for me to not go all in on the guy.

Recruiting to Florida, how hard is that exactly?

And how does he handle the Clint Hurtt deal? I want no part of that Miami mess on this campus and he has been a linchpin for Strong's recruiting at Louisville.

The in game x's and o's and giving up 24 ppg in a conference that isn't exactly the Big 12 in terms of offense worries me too.

Beat Florida next month and fans will come around. Win some games next year for the Vols and they will come around more.

 

[Gramps]

Ok, Gramps. Here ya go.


The coaching quality in the SEC is pretty much like a bunch of straight A students all in one big honors class. There is not very much, if any, room between them.

Our last coach was not honors material and when he went into the classroom he fell behind very quickly.

I believe the only one of the group that has set himself apart from the rest of the class is Saban and some of that has been due to studying. But in many ways Miles is able to out perform Saban due to his creativity. His Mad Hatter approach is unique and sets him apart. Slightly below these two is Muschamp and Richt and only due to age and lack of drive is Spurrier there.


Again this group is very, very close in ability and at any time anyone could step up and be the leader of the class.


Mullen and Sumlin are new to this class as they just transferred here recently and are still learning the difference in what this tracher expects compared to the last trach...but once the figure it out they will be right there with them..maybe slightly behind Saban. Maybe ahead of him though.

Which brings is to Strong. Strong is the new kid. But he's really not as he was in the school during his freshman year but went away for a few years and is now back as a Senior. He knows what it takes to be a leader and has lead before. I group him with Sumlin and Mullen (ahead of Franklin) only because he is a knew coach in the SEC. But once he settles in he will be just fine.


Again, the SEC is like honor society. There just isnt much difference between brainiac one and brainiac two. Problem is we had the moron of the class last year and it was very obvious.

Good post Neo.

You are a good businessman .
You hire and fire on a regular basis.

You have someone with an outstanding record that proves he can do the job and do it good. and make you a pile of cash.

You have someone that just doesn't have the record but you think he will be okay and should be able to make you some cash.

Which one do you hire?

 

[TacomaJPP]

The mere statement of "give the guy a chance" automatically indicates that he isn't proven.

As I recall, Hart indicated three characteristics he wanted in a coach:

1) Integrity - CCS seems to fit that bill.

2) Knows the SEC well - Spent 8 years or so at UF. CCS would probably fit that bill as well.

3) A proven head coach - Ah, now the thickening of the plot. "Proven" is whatever each internet Rambo defines it as. However, after 3 short seasons at UL, I can't say that this Internet Rambo believes CCS is "proven."

Facts:

a) 3 season as a HC

b) Record: 7-6, 7-6, and 10-2

c) Season with 10-2 record his wins came against opponents with a combined winning percentage of 39.8%.

Summary: It does appear that UL is in better shape with Strong. No doubt. It appears Strong has brought a lot of Florida talent to UL (I saw some stats on it and can't find them now). However, the question remains, does this translate to Tennessee and to the SEC? My fear is that it may not. I believe any objective person should be asking this question. It isn't bashing, it should be considered rational questions. Is CSS going to be able to compete against some of the best, experienced folks in the game? Spurrier, Saban, Miles, Richt and Miles (okay, the last two are debatable, but do have success).

CSS is not a proven, big-name coach to my mind. Did/do we have bigger, better options? I don't know. I'm just not sure that we are going to rise to the top of the SEC with CSS. Of course, if we get him, I will support him and hope he does a great job. Ultimately, if he were proven, we wouldn't have these questions.

The thing about guys like CSS is are they the next big thing, or are they just the next thing? I was hoping UT would not be a proving grounds for someone.

 

[Gramps]

I love how some people just think you throw money out there and names like Stoops and Patterson will come running. No one knows who has been contacted, but do you not think if Hart has his reputation at stake that he would make the best hire that he could make?

yes I think Hart may be working on a big surprise... at least I hope so

 

[PowerWookie]

I remember the last time I told myself to give a mediocre coach a chance...

EXACTLY... our current attitudes are shaped by the recent DD disaster

DD has us all very gunshy of any coach with out an Nat championship or super bowl on the resume..... for better or worse....

 

[utfan72408]

Forgive me for what I say when the same Dooley idiots are the ones thinking Strong is the next Bear Bryant.

I'm surprised it took Hart 3 weeks to make this bargain bin hire.

Hahaha. Jackass.

I hated Dooley from the start, and already wanted him fired after last year, but I'm undecided on Strong.

No one's saying he's the next Bear Bryant. Take your Straw Man argument elsewhere.

 

[volfan711]

yes I think Hart may be working on a big surprise... at least I hope so

I hope so as well. Strong isn't my first or probably even top 5, but at this point I'm not sure who is out there that hasn't possibly turned us down. Honestly, I wanted Patterson.

 

[PowerWookie]

No, Kiffen wasn't unproven, he was decent coach with NFL head coaching experience and also a was scummy sleeze-ball that dumped us quicker than you can say "USC".

Dooley WAS the unproven one as he wasn't even a coordinator in college before becoming the head coach at a small school.

Smart has SEC experience and improved his old team each year. That doesn't mean he'll automatically lead us to a national championship the first year, but he definitely has a big leg up on Dooley....

True about DD vs smart comparison..,

I disagree about Kiffen... the only thing he has ever proven is that he is his daddy's boy

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Good comparison... Not

Sure it is.

You just want to jump on board with whoever gets hired which is fine. Me, I am going to remain skeptical until there are some results on the field.

On Strong versus Chizik:

Same number of national championship rings, similar career paths as SEC DC's, Chizik put in 2 solid years at Auburn with one outstanding season much like Strong has at Louisville.

One good season doesn't make a coach an all time great though as Chizik proved this season.

 

[Domestic Silence]

Hahaha. Jackass.

I hated Dooley from the start, and already wanted him fired after last year, but I'm undecided on Strong.

No one's saying he's the next Bear Bryant. Take your Straw Man argument elsewhere.

If he can't compete, and beat, Nick Saban you are wasting 3 years (min) and 13 mil this time.

I would rather not make a rush decision and get someone who can compete than just waste more time and money.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

At the end of the day a fanbase divided.

Sad to see people hating each other because the disagree about a coach.

Let's just hope UT gets back to tradition.

The fanbase has been divided since Fulmer was fired, this hire is not going to change that.

I do not like the hire (if true) but i will give the guy a chance. Some in the know say he is a good recruiter, that is something UT sorely needs. I just hope he will re-establish the relationships with our in state high school's, i'm tired of Bama and UGA stealing our home state players.

We are Tennessee people, we have been through hell the last 5 years, lets just hope we are able to get back to some reasonable ground of what Tennessee was, and will be again.

Go Vols!

 

[MemphianVol]

All this talk of Strong making a BCS bowl.

Chizik won a national title, how is he looking right now?

...and Chizik was 5-19 overall at ISU & 2-14 in conference before he was hired at AU. Are you seriously going to compare CCS to THAT? That's closer to Dooley status.

 

[Domestic Silence]

Northern Illinois is going to a BCS bowl as well, should we hire him too? My God.

 

[TacomaJPP]

The SEC is getting tougher. No doubt about it. There are two very important parts: Recruiting and X's and O's. Bringing just one to the table isn't going to cut it. I'm not familiar enough with CCS to know if he is indeed as good at X's and O's as you hear, but just bringing in some good recruits isn't going to be enough here.

Heck, even Dooley brought in some good talent...