Stop with the complaining over 3* recruits

[Big151Orange]

Well crud, post lost the formatting so it's hard to read. Point is Nebraska's classes averaged 18.8 during the 6 year period in which they finished #3 and #1 twice. Sorry for poor formatting skills😣

 

[ntxVOL]

For those who believe we need to consistently have top 5 or even top 10 classes to compete for nat'l champs, take a look at what Nebraska did from 1990 - 1995.

Year Recruiting Final
Class Avg. AP
Ranking. Ranking

1990. 28.33
1991 28.0
1992. 9.67
1993 17.5. 3
1994 21.75 1
1995 7.67 1

It's not all about recruiting rankings, it's about finding talented players who fit your system, and the coaches ability to get the most out of each player. Another poster mentioned Gary Patterson at TCU, and they are spot on as that program shows you don't have to have top ranked recruiting classes. The key is did you identify the right players who can play at championship levels given enough time to grow and develop.

Tom Osbourne relied heavily on partial qualifiers back in the day. Wouldn't grades negatively effect a player's ranking by the recruiting services?

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

I think Noah was a 5*. Moses was an underrated 4*.

 

[Catbone]

For those who believe we need to consistently have top 5 or even top 10 classes to compete for nat'l champs, take a look at what Nebraska did from 1990 - 1995.

Year Recruiting Final
Class Avg. AP
Ranking. Ranking

1990. 28.33
1991 28.0
1992. 9.67
1993 17.5. 3
1994 21.75 1
1995 7.67 1

It's not all about recruiting rankings, it's about finding talented players who fit your system, and the coaches ability to get the most out of each player. Another poster mentioned Gary Patterson at TCU, and they are spot on as that program shows you don't have to have top ranked recruiting classes. The key is did you identify the right players who can play at championship levels given enough time to grow and develop.

Rankings are not always right but have gotten much MUCH better and accurate since 1990 lol

 

[NTBVOL]

Actually I mentioned Michigan as it was said we passed on Nate Johnson last class as he went to Michigan. We made a great choice in Corey Henderson. Of course he didn't qualify though. The issues didn't start with this class, they started last year. Coming in at 14ish points to it.

Yes seems like UT messed up big by getting Byrd and Latrell at the end instead:/

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Another poster mentioned Gary Patterson at TCU, and they are spot on as that program shows you don't have to have top ranked recruiting classes. The key is did you identify the right players who can play at championship levels given enough time to grow and develop.

Gary Patterson doesn't exactly re load every year either. His teams are decent for a couple of years and when his players are developed redshirt JR's and SR's they put together one special season. Then it starts all over again. If that's the cycle we want to be in that's fine. Personally I'd rather reload every year and dominate. I'd love to see what kind of success TCU would have on average in the SEC with those same players.

 

[butchna]

Gary Patterson doesn't exactly re load every year either. His teams are decent for a couple of years and when his players are developed redshirt JR's and SR's they put together one special season. Then it starts all over again. If that's the cycle we want to be in that's fine. Personally I'd rather reload every year and dominate. I'd love to see what kind of success TCU would have on average in the SEC with those same players.

TCU has been consistently good. Three seasons ago was the exception not the norm...and mainly due to tweaking their offensive scheme (growing pains). They have a program we dreamed of when we had Dooley. Butch has us at a higher talent level in less time.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

TCU has been consistently good. Three seasons ago was the exception not the norm...and mainly due to tweaking their offensive scheme (growing pains). They have a program we dreamed of when we had Dooley. Butch has us at a higher talent level in less time.

I agree but we have to be because we play in the SEC. We must recruit top 10 consistently because 6 or so other SEC teams consistently do.

 

[butchna]

I agree but we have to be because we play in the SEC. We must recruit top 10 consistently because 6 or so other SEC teams consistently do.

The "have to" is where I have to quibble. Everybody HAS TO until somebody doesn't...and beats them. This 14th ranked class coming in has a face of the program QB and a load of core program athletes. When they outperform some higher ranked classes in the next four years, what are we going to do with this science?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Lastly, lol at the offer list argument. Do you think Chase Hayden had a committable offer to Michigan and the other big schools when his final three were Ark, OkSt, and Mizzou? Haha

Yes he seriously believes that. According to crunch, the only school that does not offer committable offers is Tennessee. He has been quoted as saying an offer from Tennessee means nothing.

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

Yes he seriously believes that. According to crunch, the only school that does not offer committable offers is Tennessee. He has been quoted as saying an offer from Tennessee means nothing.

If a kid holds a Tennessee offer and the staff won't let him commit or what if they take his commitment but don't let him sign, what does that offer mean?

Simple. It means nothing. Yes, like I said.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

If a kid holds a Tennessee offer and the staff won't let him commit or what if they take his commitment but don't let him sign, what does that offer mean?

Simple. It means nothing. Yes, like I said.

And you belive that Tennessee is the only school that behaves like that right?

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

And you belive that Tennessee is the only school that behaves like that right?

No, of course not. We just do it a lot more than most.

 

[NTBVOL]

No, of course not. We just do it a lot more than most.

It only seems that way because you follow UT way more closely. You couldn't handle being a Michigan fan. You think Butch is bad? Harbaugh was cold blooded pulling offers the past 2 years.

Every major school does this every year. All of the time. You thinking UT does it more is ignorance.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

It only seems that way because you follow UT way more closely. You couldn't handle being a Michigan fan. You think Butch is bad? Harbaugh was cold blooded pulling offers the past 2 years.

Every major school does this every year. All of the time. You thinking UT does it more is ignorance.

Set and match

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

It only seems that way because you follow UT way more closely. You couldn't handle being a Michigan fan. You think Butch is bad? Harbaugh was cold blooded pulling offers the past 2 years.

Every major school does this every year. All of the time. You thinking UT does it more is ignorance.

I do remember reading Michigan did force a few out recently. The offer talk here was more quantity of offers and so many being noncommittable when offered. Michigan does offer a lot as well. Only about 60 or so fewer than us.

And in reality not all schools push out commitments to make room.

 

[IndianaVolunteer]

I do remember reading Michigan did force a few out recently. The offer talk here was more quantity of offers and so many being noncommittable when offered. Michigan does offer a lot as well. Only about 60 or so fewer than us.

And in reality not all schools push out commitments to make room.

Richardson wasn't high on the RB board. Jacoby is a Louisiana native. And Tee Martin's son, has no relationship w/ his father w/ means his legacy status is basically non existent.

So yes, Tee Higgins is really the only state recruit we lost. JS, AR, and CR were never coming here. In fact, isn't CR flirting w/ FSU right now?

No matter how hard you try, Satan, you're wrong. TH is the only top state recruit we lost the battle with.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I do remember reading Michigan did force a few out recently. The offer talk here was more quantity of offers and so many being noncommittable when offered. Michigan does offer a lot as well. Only about 60 or so fewer than us.

And in reality not all schools push out commitments to make room.

I would be willing to bet all of the power house D1 programs push guys out to make room for better players. Also, do ypu personally know how many guys UM, Bama, OSU and Clemson force out every year? No you dont.

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

I would be willing to bet all of the power house D1 programs push guys out to make room for better players. Also, do ypu personally know how many guys UM, Bama, OSU and Clemson force out every year? No you dont.

I did some checking when I heard Dabo doesn't drop commitments unless they take visits after committing. I couldn't find any articles saying Clemson has. They dropped a highly rated LB for taking a trip in the last class or the one before. A Clemson fan on the board mentioned they dropped Marlin Lane when he visited UT. But just dropping to make room? I couldn't find any.

 

[IndianaVolunteer]

I did some checking when I heard Dabo doesn't drop commitments unless they take visits after committing. I couldn't find any articles saying Clemson has. They dropped a highly rated LB for taking a trip in the last class or the one before. A Clemson fan on the board mentioned they dropped Marlin Lane when he visited UT. But just dropping to make room? I couldn't find any.

exactly. you're wrong. don't reply back to the truth.:good!::crazy:

"LOL"

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I did some checking when I heard Dabo doesn't drop commitments unless they take visits after committing. I couldn't find any articles saying Clemson has. They dropped a highly rated LB for taking a trip in the last class or the one before. A Clemson fan on the board mentioned they dropped Marlin Lane when he visited UT. But just dropping to make room? I couldn't find any.

Wow leb just wow. You have hit a new low man. Carry on.

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

It does look like the staff are going to at least try to go after the top guys in 2018. Of our 148 offers out, right at 100 of those offers are to kids rated in the top 200 on the composite. Only 8 offers out to kids rated 500 or lower.

Compare that to our 2017 23 commits and we've taken commitments from 5 in the 500's, 3 in the 600's, 4 in the 800's, and 2 that are 900 or lower.

 

[IndianaVolunteer]

it does look like the staff are going to at least try to go after the top guys in 2018. Of our 148 offers out, right at 100 of those offers are to kids rated in the top 200 on the composite. Only 8 offers out to kids rated 500 or lower.

Compare that to our 2017 23 commits and we've taken commitments from 5 in the 500's, 3 in the 600's, 4 in the 800's, and 2 that are 900 or lower.

iho tifwiw..



Jmo

 

[NTBVOL]

I do remember reading Michigan did force a few out recently. The offer talk here was more quantity of offers and so many being noncommittable when offered. Michigan does offer a lot as well. Only about 60 or so fewer than us.

And in reality not all schools push out commitments to make room.

Michigan had a running back committed for over a year before Harbaugh got there. The guy had a pretty bad knee/leg injury his senior year and Harbaugh told him to get lost pretty close to signing day.

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

Michigan had a running back committed for over a year before Harbaugh got there. The guy had a pretty bad knee/leg injury his senior year and Harbaugh told him to get lost pretty close to signing day.

Yeah, I think his name was Matthew Falcon. We were in on him a little bit. The injuries had schools deciding against him. I am glad Brooks and Hall were allowed to sign here, even with the injuries.