Sudden Death Syndrome

What's causing the increase in sudden death and heart attacks

  • It's definitely being caused by the vaccine

    Votes: 43 33.6%

  • It's being caused by the virus itself

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • It could be either of the above

    Votes: 44 34.4%

  • I don't question the safety of the vaccine

    Votes: 3 2.3%

  • I like pie

    Votes: 24 18.8%

  • There is no increase in sudden deaths and you conspiracy theorists are just super paranoid

    Votes: 14 10.9%
  • Total voters
    128
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kiddiedoc said:
Well...

It is making some good/interesting/alarming points, then it starts going all wackadoodle.

I don't know why people need to start bringing in totally-unrelated treatments or medical procedures to analyze the mRNA shots. These shots have nothing to do with flu vaccines, HPV, or circumcision.
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It’s comparative as to the cycle of new drugs.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
That isn't any sort of proof. It was a questionaire of less than 3000 people that was meant to show why people would not get vaccinated. Basically, it was designed to explore the role of gossip in the decision making process.
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It's way more then some questionnaire exploring gossip.
This study was approved by the Institutional Review Board (IRB) of the Michigan State University Human Research Protection Program (file number: STUDY00006960, date of approval: November 17, 2021). All methods were carried out in accordance with relevant guidelines and regulations. The sample was obtained by Dynata, the world’s largest first-party data platform, and is representative for the US American population. Of course, none of this matters to a person like yourself.

You keep asking for proof. Where is your proof that it's not happening? Why does this only work one way? There is way more evidence that it is happening then that it's not.
 
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VolinWayne said:
It's way more then some questionnaire exploring gossip.
This study was approved by the Institutional Review Board (IRB) of the Michigan State University Human Research Protection Program (file number: STUDY00006960, date of approval: November 17, 2021). All methods were carried out in accordance with relevant guidelines and regulations. The sample was obtained by Dynata, the world’s largest first-party data platform, and is representative for the US American population. Of course, none of this matters to a person like yourself.

You keep asking for proof. Where is your proof that it's not happening? Why does this only work one way? There is way more evidence that it is happening then that it's not.
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No, it's not.

The Title

The role of social circle COVID-19 illness and vaccination experiences in COVID-19 vaccination decisions: an online survey of the United States population

A total of 2840 participants completed the survey between December 18 and 23, 2021. 51% (1383 of 2840) of the participants were female and the mean age was 47 (95% CI 46.36–47.64) years. Those who knew someone who experienced a health problem from COVID-19 were more likely to be vaccinated (OR: 1.309, 95% CI 1.094–1.566), while those who knew someone who experienced a health problem following vaccination were less likely to be vaccinated (OR: 0.567, 95% CI 0.461–0.698). 34% (959 of 2840) reported that they knew at least one person who had experienced a significant health problem due to the COVID-19 illness. Similarly, 22% (612 of 2840) of respondents indicated that they knew at least one person who had experienced a severe health problem following COVID-19 vaccination. With these survey data,
the total number of fatalities due to COVID-19 inoculation may be as high as 278,000 (95% CI 217,330–332,608) when fatalities that may have occurred regardless of inoculation are removed.

Conclusion
Knowing someone who reported serious health issues either from COVID-19 or from COVID-19 vaccination are important factors for the decision to get vaccinated. The large difference in the possible number of fatalities due to COVID-19 vaccination that emerges from this survey and the available governmental data should be further investigated.


The study was a study on gossip. "Do you know someone that had an adverse effect from vaccine?" It literally required no proof. Just gossip. It was a study on whether hearing gossip affected the decision making process on getting vaccinated.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
No, it's not.

The Title

The role of social circle COVID-19 illness and vaccination experiences in COVID-19 vaccination decisions: an online survey of the United States population

A total of 2840 participants completed the survey between December 18 and 23, 2021. 51% (1383 of 2840) of the participants were female and the mean age was 47 (95% CI 46.36–47.64) years. Those who knew someone who experienced a health problem from COVID-19 were more likely to be vaccinated (OR: 1.309, 95% CI 1.094–1.566), while those who knew someone who experienced a health problem following vaccination were less likely to be vaccinated (OR: 0.567, 95% CI 0.461–0.698). 34% (959 of 2840) reported that they knew at least one person who had experienced a significant health problem due to the COVID-19 illness. Similarly, 22% (612 of 2840) of respondents indicated that they knew at least one person who had experienced a severe health problem following COVID-19 vaccination. With these survey data,
the total number of fatalities due to COVID-19 inoculation may be as high as 278,000 (95% CI 217,330–332,608) when fatalities that may have occurred regardless of inoculation are removed.

Conclusion
Knowing someone who reported serious health issues either from COVID-19 or from COVID-19 vaccination are important factors for the decision to get vaccinated. The large difference in the possible number of fatalities due to COVID-19 vaccination that emerges from this survey and the available governmental data should be further investigated.


The study was a study on gossip. "Do you know someone that had an adverse effect from vaccine?" It literally required no proof. Just gossip. It was a study on whether hearing gossip affected the decision making process on getting vaccinated.
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Ok so I guess it's safe to assume that you believe the majority of these people who took this survey are willing to waste their time taking a survey so they can lie about a vaccine that they do not know anybody personally that's been harmed by it. Now which one of us is wearing the tinfoil hat?
 
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VolinWayne said:
Ok so I guess it's safe to assume that you believe the majority of these people who took this survey are willing to waste their time taking a survey so they can lie about a vaccine that they do not know anybody personally that's been harmed by it. Now which one of us is wearing the tinfoil hat?
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Again with the assumptions. Somebody can drop dead after taking the vaccination and it may have nothing to do with the vaccination. You lack logic. You make assumptions that are simply not supported by the evidence in front of you.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You have reached another conclusion that I am not sure is accurate. To my knowledge, players hearts are only checked prior to the combine unless a history or an event dictates testing. So, you have a person who was grossly overweight 6'3" and 300+ pounds who may have had his last heart tests in 2007 and hasn't been in the NFL since 2014.
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You are correct in that I do not have access to his medical records. I would feel quite confident in assuming that a black man of his size on an NFL contract had his heart checked carefully at some point.

Again, he is but one case. I am looking at the sheer number of recent cases as cause for concern and can't imagine why anyone else wouldn't.

Same goes with menstrual changes. If you had a daughter, would you not want some explanation as to how the ovaries are being affected by mRNA shots before giving them to her?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
You are correct in that I do not have access to his medical records. I would feel quite confident in assuming that a black man of his size on an NFL contract had his heart checked carefully at some point.

Again, he is but one case. I am looking at the sheer number of recent cases as cause for concern and can't imagine why anyone else wouldn't.

Same goes with menstrual changes. If you had a daughter, would you not want some explanation as to how the ovaries are being affected by mRNA shots before giving them to her?
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Until 2010 there were almost no cardiac checkups in the NFL. Gaines Adams changed that.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
It might be related or it might not. Proximity in time does not always equate to a correlation.
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Bingo. Now we agree.

So, stop administering the shots to young people immediately until we are 100% sure that it's not. That is supposed to be done before any therapeutic is approved.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Bingo. Now we agree.

So, stop administering the shots to young people immediately until we are 100% sure that it's not. That is supposed to be done before any therapeutic is approved.
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Here’s my problem
And I’m not completely with you here as I feel if someone wants the vaccine then they should be allowed to take it….but I see no logical support for the boosters. My wife is high risk so we weigh the options and took the first 2. My adult sons did the J and J single. Had they been younger we probably would have passed. Beyond that I we didn’t see the need.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
@VolinWayne
That brings us to the next qualifier in the studies.
You’ve got to look real close at what each one defines as “vaccinated “
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I agree. I don't think you are considered vaccinated until like 10 days after your first dose correct?? There are many many examples of people who had adverse reactions just days after vaccination. Some adverse reactions could show up months or possibly a few years after vaccination. Only full transparency will allow us to know the truth about what's causing this.
 
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VolinWayne said:
I agree. I don't think you are considered vaccinated until like 10 days after your first dose correct?? There are many many examples of people who had adverse reactions just days after vaccination. Some adverse reactions could show up months or possibly a few years after vaccination. Only full transparency will allow us to know the truth about what's causing this.
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It just depends on who’s running the study.
If you want your data to say one thing you define it as the first dose. If you’re on the other side there you’re not vaccinated unless you have had all available boosters.

I’m honestly not sure how many that would have been at this point.
 
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