Sunshine Protection Act

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#76
As someone who grew up with time changes and now lives in AZ on daylight savings time all the time, I have 2 points to make:

1) Lots of people complain about having to change the clock and mess with their sleep schedule twice a year.
2) Nobody complains about living on daylight savings time, except for the confusion in dealing with people in other time zones.

So this legislation would fix the one real problem with living on daylight savings time, but maintaining the status quo time change BS will always suck.
 
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The funny thing is I don't even want this to pass. I love being on Pacific time (for the sake of live sports), and that would never happen again if everybody goes daylight savings time.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I would actually say that has some merit. You think about "peak hours" with an electrical grid and how much a later setting sun might help.

Don't give AOC any ideas though. She'd **** it up.
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Numerous studies have been been done and overall it is a wash. In general, decreased electricity use from lighting is offset by increased gas usage for people going places with the „extra“ daylight. Overall, we use the energy we use
 
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n_huffhines said:
As someone who grew up with time changes and now lives in AZ on daylight savings time all the time, I have 2 points to make:

1) Lots of people complain about having to change the clock and mess with their sleep schedule twice a year.
2) Nobody complains about living on daylight savings time, except for the confusion in dealing with people in other time zones.

So this legislation would fix the one real problem with living on daylight savings time, but maintaining the status quo time change BS will always suck.
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Actually, you have it backward. AZ does NOT recognize Daylight Savings Time at all (other than the Navajo Nation and Hopi Reservation).

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Vol423 said:
Actually, you have it backward. AZ does NOT recognize Daylight Savings Time at all (other than the Navajo Nation and Hopi Reservation).

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Correct, the (current) law is that a state can choose to stay on standard time. The law does NOT allow the other direction which is why Congress had to pass this new bill
 
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n_huffhines said:
The funny thing is I don't even want this to pass. I love being on Pacific time (for the sake of live sports), and that would never happen again if everybody goes daylight savings time.
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I didn't realize you were in AZ. In what area of AZ do you live?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So a 1 hour difference has that much impact on the US? I hope you are joking.
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In a weird way It does because when we spring forward there are a boatload of auto and workers comp claims that day. The spike is insane. Those then get spread across the board for industry averages and effects everyone.
 
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n_huffhines said:
As someone who grew up with time changes and now lives in AZ on daylight savings time all the time, I have 2 points to make:

1) Lots of people complain about having to change the clock and mess with their sleep schedule twice a year.
2) Nobody complains about living on daylight savings time, except for the confusion in dealing with people in other time zones.

So this legislation would fix the one real problem with living on daylight savings time, but maintaining the status quo time change BS will always suck.
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For the record, I DO complain about living on DST and vociferously 😂. I am 85 degrees West Longitude by gosh so I expect to be GMT - 6 year round the way the good Lord intended. The sun should cross my meridian around 1215, not 1315 darn it!!!!!!
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Then it is no longer “standard”. Standard refers to having the clocks match the suns position as closely as possible. Any artificial shifting of the clocks beyond that makes the time no longer “standard”.
In the early days of the railroad, every station was responsible for setting its own local “noon“ based on when the sun crossed the local meridian. Of course, for cities only a few dozen miles apart, it soon became apparent that „noon“ would differ by a few minutes leading the the possibility of train collisions on a shared schedule
So the solution eventually was to divide the world into 24 slices known as time zones. Each of the 24 zones would hypothetically have its noon set for the mean solar crossing time for the meridian at the center of the zone, meaning that each time zone was exactly plus or minus a whole number of hours from the Prime meridian at the Royal observatory in Greenwich England.
That is the historical and astronomical basis of civil timekeeping for the past 150 years; logical, understandable, and mathematically sound.
Leave it to government to start messing up a scientifically based system by pretending that you can somehow „create more daylight“ as if the rotation of the earth and its orbit around the sun were somehow subject to the whims of bureaucrats.
There is a reason we tell time the way we do, and Congress has no business trying to „fix“ something they obviously do not understand than a five year old disassembling and trying to „fix“ my car‘s transmission 😡
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So you're saying this Senate does not believe in science....Wouldn't it have been just as easy for them to dictate when schools start and government and banks offices open effectively doing the same thing about getting more sunshine in the afternoon?
 
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#91
Living on the western edge of eastern time, daylight comes at almost 5:30 am on the first day of summer. If we switched to standard time year round, it would move that to 4:30. Who in the hell wants it to start getting light at 4:30 in the morning?
 
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VolStrom said:
Living on the western edge of eastern time, daylight comes at almost 5:30 am on the first day of summer. If we switched to standard time year round, it would move that to 4:30. Who in the hell wants it to start getting light at 4:30 in the morning?
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I wouldn't mind that. I like getting up early.
 
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SlipKidVol said:
I like daylight savings time, more daylight when I get home from work to do yard work so I can play more golf on the weekends. Oh and more golf on weekdays also
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Then move to Minnesota or anywhere up north, you can play golf at 10 pm, in July or course you can only see the sun at lunch time in December.
 
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Wireless1 said:
So you're saying this Senate does not believe in science....Wouldn't it have been just as easy for them to dictate when schools start and government and banks offices open effectively doing the same thing about getting more sunshine in the afternoon?
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Maybe 4 to 5 Senators could even begin to explain the astronomical basis of timekeeping….so it’s not even That they don’t believe science. You have to at least know a little about something to decide whether or not to believe it
 
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OrangeTsar said:
For the record, I DO complain about living on DST and vociferously 😂. I am 85 degrees West Longitude by gosh so I expect to be GMT - 6 year round the way the good Lord intended. The sun should cross my meridian around 1215, not 1315 darn it!!!!!!
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I'm not surprised there is somebody who complains.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
If we go permanent DST, you will NEVER get it back. Normally we get it back in the fall on that first Sunday in November with the GLORIOUS extra hour of sleep
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I know. I want it back. If they call it after that, fine. But if they go dst permanent, im commiting an hours worth of felonies to get it back.
 
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