Supreme Court kills affirmative action in university admissions

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VOLS INC. said:
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And it’s the exact same argument made by the pro slavery crowd. If you’ve never read Cannibals All, it’s worth the time. The entire argument is that blacks are less than and therefore need slave masters to care for them. That if left to their own devices they will be worse off and that slavery is actually more humane because the incentive structure will force slave masters to care for them.

Replace slave master with government and you get the basic leftist ideology on the topic. Capitalism is bad because they don’t believe minorities can compete and succeed. But slavery is good
 
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New Chart Illustrates Graphically the Racial Preferences for Blacks, Hispanics Being Admitted to US Medical Schools
The middle set of bars in the top chart above show that for applicants to US medical schools between 2013-2016 with average GPAs (3.40 to 3.59) and average MCAT scores (27 to 29), black applicants were almost 4 times more likely to be accepted to US medical schools than Asians in that applicant pool (81.2% vs. 20.6%), and 2.8 times more likely than white applicants(81.2% vs. 29.0%). Likewise, Hispanic applicants to medical school during this period with average GPAs and MCAT scores were more than twice as likely as whites in that applicant pool to be admitted to medical school (59.5% vs. 29.0%), and nearly three times more likely than Asians (59.5% vs. 20.6%).
 
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VOLS INC. said:
The sooner the left learns we are a constitutional republic, the better!

They believe they can do whatever they want so long as a simple majority within society supports it. That’s not how it works. Get the votes in congress, or stop whining about it. I know, I know, it’s a tragedy the POTUS can’t rule all with a pen.
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The irony is the majority per Polling support both decisions
 
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85SugarVol said:
She was wrong either way.

Polls be damned. The Court should not be issuing rulings based on the “will of the people”.
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If they actually have the will of the people there's a mechanism to amend the rule of the land, but it's doubtful they have the numbers to make the change. If the lefties could actually pull that off, and with all the doubt over voting, it might be the beginnings of a new war of secession.
 
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Vol8188 said:
And it’s the exact same argument made by the pro slavery crowd. If you’ve never read Cannibals All, it’s worth the time. The entire argument is that blacks are less than and therefore need slave masters to care for them. That if left to their own devices they will be worse off and that slavery is actually more humane because the incentive structure will force slave masters to care for them.

Replace slave master with government and you get the basic leftist ideology on the topic. Capitalism is bad because they don’t believe minorities can compete and succeed. But slavery is good
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I've never believed that race or ethnicity make one person inherently more or less intelligent than another, but I strongly believe that the community in which a person grows up influences that person for life. Example, large parts of Africa can't break out of tribalism and large parts of S America can't seem to put corruption (especially official corruption) behind them. In the same way the black community (not individuals themselves) in the US has gone from outrage over discrimination, to outrage over entitlement - advantage (mostly not taken), and on it's way outrage over discrimination because something "beneficial" was taken away. The anger has been the constant; the large scale unwillingness to take advantage of affirmative action was largely a waste because all appearance are that the community wants to view itself as disadvantaged. The thing is that the anger is part of a self perpetuating cycle where "victims" continue as "victims" because their culture of anger doesn't allow them to interact normally with others ... especially when any sense of authority is involved.
 
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luthervol said:
Just because it is now illegal to use race as a criteria in no way means race doesn't matter. It could possibly mean the opposite.
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If we excluded gpa from admission criteria, would gap matter more or less? The answer is obvious. If your goal is to move towards a more color blind society, this move obviously promotes that.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If we excluded gpa from admission criteria, would gap matter more or less? The answer is obvious. If your goal is to move towards a more color blind society, this move obviously promotes that.
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The answer isn't obvious.
GPA would obviously mean less for college admision, but that could very well result in GPA meaning more for employers.
 
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luthervol said:
If removing race as an admissions criteria is generally perceived to unfairly harm one race more than another, then race would matter even more in other areas.
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So if removing race from Harvard’s admission criteria is perceived to hurt Blacks and help Asians, in which areas would race now matter more?
 
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85SugarVol said:
So if removing race from Harvard’s admission criteria is perceived to hurt Blacks and help Asians, in which areas would race now matter more?
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You left out the word "unfairly". With that word, it would have similar impact but in different ways.
 
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AM64 said:
Makes no sense, but not surprising.
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If employers concluded that anyone could get into a college, they would use GPA even more as a criteria when hiring.

Take GT for instance; it is very difficult do get into and even more difficult to stay and graduate. Employers aren't concerned with GPA - just the simple fact they were able to get in and graduate.

If admission requirements changed, employers would change the way they evaluate GT students.
 
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luthervol said:
If employers concluded that anyone could get into a college, they would use GPA even more as a criteria when hiring.

Take GT for instance; it is very difficult do get into and even more difficult to stay and graduate. Employers aren't concerned with GPA - just the simple fact they were able to get in and graduate.

If admission requirements changed, employers would change the way they evaluate GT students.
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You're claiming that if colleges didn't use HS GPAs for admission that employers would put more emphasis on college GPAs?
 
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