Supreme Court kills affirmative action in university admissions

[85SugarVol]

You left out the word "unfairly". With that word, it would have similar impact but in different ways.

So if removing race from Harvard’s admission unfairly hurts Blacks, and unfairly helps Asians, where would race then matter more?

 

[luthervol]

So if removing race from Harvard’s admission unfairly hurts Blacks, and unfairly helps Asians, where would race then matter more?

In all other areas, but specifically in career related areas such as hiring, promotion, etc...

 

[whodeycin85]

In all other areas, but specifically in career related areas such as hiring, promotion, etc...

In a precedent where race is taken a back seat to merits, you believe that companies will focus more on race?? That due to the governments push for DEI??

 

[C-south]

Yes

Then what is the point of even going to college if they let anyone in and push everyone through? Education seems pointless and even more so when people like you allegedly work in that area. Sounds like employers should start running their own education and training more than they already do (at least some).

 

[RockyTop85]

You left out the word "unfairly". With that word, it would have similar impact but in different ways.

An Asian student being downgraded because they’re Asian seems pretty unfair.

 

[85SugarVol]

In all other areas, but specifically in career related areas such as hiring, promotion, etc...

I thought that was where you were headed.

If publicly funded universities cannot racially discriminate, than privately held companies will.

I actually don’t have a problem with that.

Are you sure you’re ok with it? Doesn’t seem like you.

 

[C-south]

In a precedent where race is taken a back seat to merits, you believe that companies will focus more on race?? That due to the governments push for DEI??

Plenty of companies already go out of their way on their own to check the token boxes. Some even display they make affirmative action hires outright. Wonder if they will be targeted next.

 

[AM64]

Yes

That would imply that because colleges no longer used HS GPA for admission the educational standards of the college have been somehow lessened. That the rigor in the classroom has automatically decreased rather than the school flushed out the unfit who somehow slipped in because their HS GPA wasn't scrutinized. The fact is there is no perfect entrance criteria; universities have probably found a middle ground that mostly works but sometimes rewards scholastic overachievers and penalizes kids who absolutely understand the concept but don't test well. I've known plenty of people at the undergraduate and graduate levels who did well academically but couldn't extend one concept to something more complex or realistic. I've also seen people who don't do well on tests but who wind up being the people who explain the concept to the people making better grades.

 

[Vol8188]

The answer isn't obvious.
GPA would obviously mean less for college admision, but that could very well result in GPA meaning more for employers.

So for admissions this will make race less meaningful? But you fear it may make race more meaningful for employers? How so?

 

[luthervol]

In a precedent where race is taken a back seat to merits, you believe that companies will focus more on race?? That due to the governments push for DEI??

It's all about how you define and evaluate merits.

An applicant from a meth infested trailor park in WV with a 3.9 GPA and a 1400 SAT may have more merit than an applicant from a private school with a 4.0 GPA and a 1420 SAT.

 

[luthervol]

An Asian student being downgraded because they’re Asian seems pretty unfair.

100% agree.

 

[C-south]

It's all about how you define and evaluate merits.

An applicant from a meth infested trailor park in WV with a 3.9 GPA and a 1400 SAT may have more merit than an applicant from a private school with a 4.0 GPA and a 1420 SAT.

Looks fairly even.

 

[luthervol]

I thought that was where you were headed.

If publicly funded universities cannot racially discriminate, than privately held companies will.

I actually don’t have a problem with that.

Are you sure you’re ok with it? Doesn’t seem like you.

I believe there will always be those who feel the moral obligation to right injustices.

I'm comfortable going there.

I believe there will also always be those willing to take every possible advantage of injustices.

 

[whodeycin85]

It's all about how you define and evaluate merits.

An applicant from a meth infested trailor park in WV with a 3.9 GPA and a 1400 SAT may have more merit than an applicant from a private school with a 4.0 GPA and a 1420 SAT.

In both is those example race shouldn't be considered....socioeconomic status will have a besting of course and in most cases will be a better indicator of success then race...

 

[C-south]

I believe there will always be those who feel the moral obligation to right injustices.

I'm comfortable going there.

I believe there will also always be those willing to take every possible advantage of injustices.

Which injustices have you participated in?

 

[luthervol]

In both is those example race shouldn't be considered....socioeconomic status will have a besting of course and in most cases will be a better indicator of success then race...

Why should it be permissable to consider socioeconomic status?

 

[C-south]

Why should it be permissable to consider socioeconomic status?

Maybe because you shouldn’t go to a school you can’t afford.

 

[85SugarVol]

I believe there will always be those who feel the moral obligation to right injustices.

I'm comfortable going there.

I believe there will also always be those willing to take every possible advantage of injustices.

Morality and Justice have nothing to do with it.

Private entities (like the ones engaging in your hiring and promotion) should be able to choose who they do business with.
Glad we can agree there.

Let me ask you a personal question -
You believe it morally right to elevate Black applicants. Was it morally right to downgrade Asian applicants?

 

[85SugarVol]

Why should it be permissable to consider socioeconomic status?

It doesn’t work. Not as desired anyways.

California did not get the results they sought when they outlawed racial consideration and went to socioeconomic as a proxy.

 

[AM64]

Why should it be permissable to consider socioeconomic status?

It shouldn't happen period, but that's why other countries are eating our lunch educationally. Countries like India educate the best to standards of excellence that we don't practice and the rest to something else. The saying goes that our top level schools are were Indians who don't make the cut for the Indian Institutes of Technology go. Imagine US schools turning away the best candidates to allow mediocre candidates on the basis of race or other socioeconomic factor. There's a lot that seems wrong with our educational system, and generally it is an outgrowth of the liberal cult believing that it is better to somehow broaden everybody while neglecting both ends of the spectrum - both the "gifted" and the below average student. Teaching to the middle achieves mediocrity, and that doesn't give us the people who developed the advancements we rely on today.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Looks like the black elite he/she is still upset & trying to make a point falling on deaf ears.

 

[luthervol]

Morality and Justice have nothing to do with it.

Private entities (like the ones engaging in your hiring and promotion) should be able to choose who they do business with.
Glad we can agree there.

Let me ask you a personal question -
You believe it morally right to elevate Black applicants. Was it morally right to downgrade Asian applicants?

Do you believe it would be morally right for a private company to do it?

 

[C-south]

Looks like the black elite he/she is still upset & trying to make a point falling on deaf ears.

Yes please! Tell them to turnaround and leave.

 

[C-south]

Do you believe it would morally right for a private company to do it?

Would it be morally right to the shareholders if the company didn’t bring in the absolutely best people they could?

 

[OrangeBoro]

Looks like the black elite he/she is still upset & trying to make a point falling on deaf ears.

Please be true