Supreme Court kills affirmative action in university admissions

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AM64 said:
We definitely agree on that point. Admission criteria to a school should very much reflect the applicant's abilities in the intended area of study - not much reason to evaluate artistic talent in a prospective engineer or to evaluate engineering talent in applicants with other plans in mind. I'm very much a college football fan, but in all honesty I still think any openings to athletes should be based on academic rather than athletic potential. In the instance you gave above, to me it is wrong for a school to award scholarships (even athletic scholarships) to students with little academic potential, or to babysit them until they graduate or leave for other reasons. You might suppose students on athletic scholarships are few enough in number they don't take positions away from real students ... the monetary side of athletic scholarships, facilities, and especially coaching costs is another matter for most colleges and universities though.

I can't say I'm impressed with JFK's admission essay. Sounds a lot like butter them up and then remind them that his father also has a lot to offer ... but without being so crass as to say so.
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JFK knew it was only a formality, that his spot was already guaranteed.
Generational wealth and power is more enthrinched than generational poverty.
There have always been many students accepted into universities based on things other than merit - it was just always a system that benefited the rich and powerful at the expense of those who were not.
 
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luthervol said:
I obviously think public schools should have no religious affiliations.
I view private Christian schools the same as private Jewish schools, Muslim schools, Hindu schools etc.....(talk about indoctrination) ... not a big fan in general.
I think a Religions of the World private school might be great.....have all religions represented and learn about them all.
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It sounds like you consider the line between Public and Private to be quite relevant.

I do too.
 
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luthervol said:
I was just speaking in generalities. It's human nature for many to see a perceived injustice and feel morally obligated to address it.

If people feel the college application and acceptance process is unjust, many will feel a moral obligation to address it.

When Asians felt the process was unjust, they rightfully felt the need to address it.

If people view Harvard's legacy admissions as unjust, they will eventually adress it.

Many universities give preference to legacies. Is it right to elevate applicants based on where their parents attended school?
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The “moral obligation to address it” manifested as racial discrimination against Asian Americans.

They were elevating black applicants on the basis of race. That’s illegal activity for the State to engage in.
 
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85SugarVol said:
The “moral obligation to address it” manifested as racial discrimination against Asian Americans.

They were elevating black applicants on the basis of race. That’s illegal activity for the State to engage in.
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“This preferential treatment has nothing to do with an applicant’s merit. Instead, it is an unfair and unearned benefit that is conferred solely based on the family that the applicant is born into,” Lawyers for Civil Rights said in a news release. “This custom, pattern, and practice is exclusionary and discriminatory. It severely disadvantages and harms applicants of color.”

Seems this is unfair to Asians, and all other minorities.............legal?
 
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EasternVol said:
The GOP courts the minorities that will benefit from the ruling so no, at least not today. If the party continues its MAGA degeneration though, maybe eventually.
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Do you believe “moderation” will ever shift the current lunacy back to any sense of normalcy?
 
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luthervol said:
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JFK knew it was only a formality, that his spot was already guaranteed.
Generational wealth and power is more enthrinched than generational poverty.
There have always been many students accepted into universities based on things other than merit - it was just always a system that benefited the rich and powerful at the expense of those who were not.
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Generational wealth always has a starting point and most of it happened without a meritless person given something they didn’t deserve.
 
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C-south said:
Do you believe “moderation” will ever shift the current lunacy back to any sense of normalcy?
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Hopefully, yes. The GOP could really gain popularity if they'd counter the Dems' insanity with reason and stop pandering to the lowest common denominator voters.
 
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luthervol said:
“This preferential treatment has nothing to do with an applicant’s merit. Instead, it is an unfair and unearned benefit that is conferred solely based on the family that the applicant is born into,” Lawyers for Civil Rights said in a news release. “This custom, pattern, and practice is exclusionary and discriminatory. It severely disadvantages and harms applicants of color.”

Seems this is unfair to Asians, and all other minorities.............legal?
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Yes, yes I know you’re chomping at the bit to get into the legacies.

I’m guess you don’t really want to discuss morality.

I don’t know if it’s legal. I think it’s perfectly fine to investigate.
Is it illegal for an organization to provide benefits to people who give them money?
Do only white legacies get in? How about black and Asian legacies?

As far as merit is concerned - what are the scores for these white legacies? Are they demonstrably lower than others not getting in?
 
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85SugarVol said:
But you do believe in the line, and it’s relevance. Clearly. Or at least when it suits you?
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Of course there is a line. I simply said I do not put as much relevance in it as most in the PF do.

Is Harvard public or private?
Is Google public or private?
Is Delta public or private?
 
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luthervol said:
Of course there is a line. I simply said I do not put as much relevance in it as most in the PF do.

Is Harvard public or private?
Is Google public or private?
Is Delta public or private?
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Harvard accepts public funding. They’re public here.

Google & Delta are private. They are free to discriminate to their hearts content.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Yes, yes I know you’re chomping at the bit to get into the legacies.

I’m guess you don’t really want to discuss morality.

I don’t know if it’s legal. I think it’s perfectly fine to investigate.
Is it illegal for an organization to provide benefits to people who give them money?
Do only white legacies get in? How about black and Asian legacies?

As far as merit is concerned - what are the scores for these white legacies? Are they demonstrably lower than others not getting in?
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I'm not looking to over complicate it. Admissions have always been based on more than simply merit. Rich white people were the benificiaries of that for generations. Society recognized a need to do things to help compensate for that long term unfairness and attempt to balance the scales a tad.

Nothing more than that.

Have the scales been balanced? Of course not. Will they ever be balanced? Of course not.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm not looking to over complicate it. Admissions have always been based on more than simply merit. Rich white people were the benificiaries of that for generations. Society recognized a need to do things to help compensate for that long term unfairness and attempt to balance the scales a tad.

Nothing more than that.

Have the scales been balanced? Of course not. Will they ever be balanced? Of course not.
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Of course admissions are based on more than simply merit. We can agree there.

All the Court said is one of those things can’t be the applicants Race. Find another way.
 
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Another victory made for the USA & for the FREEDOM in AMERICA
I guess we'll see if all these corrupt Biden agencies will comply with this Judge's ruling.

 
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Big Boo Hoo. So sad Rep.Cori Bush has a sour taste on too many freedoms to live in ...
Communist Democrats are never grateful for the good things they live in on a daily basis.
If she hates this country so much why not go live in China for awhile & see if that works better.
 
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luthervol said:
I believe there will always be those who feel the moral obligation to right injustices.

I'm comfortable going there.

I believe there will also always be those willing to take every possible advantage of injustices.
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How long will this so-called 'injustice' need to be righted? Another 10 years? 50 years? is it endless?

When will character rather than color of skin be realized?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
How long will this so-called 'injustice' need to be righted? Another 10 years? 50 years? is it endless?

When will character rather than color of skin be realized?
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It is irrelevant how long this injustice needs to be righted. If it's in violation of the Constitution then it's illegal. Period end of story. If it's illegal now, it was illegal 60 yrs ago. There are no caveats or exceptions to breaking the Constitution. These schools need to come up with a way to achieve their diversity that doesn't violate the Constitution
 
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