Supreme Court upholds ObamaCare.

#501
#501
Gramps said:
we would not have invaded Iraq if Gore were POTUS .
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Yeah, and the temperature would be 5 degrees cooler this summer. How do you know Gore wouldn't have invaded Iraq? You're not going to be able to prove that hypothetical. Even a pontificating dilitante like Gore when presented with the evidence Bush received might have done the same thing. Maybe not. We'll never know. Thank God.
 
#502
#502
Redstater said:
I'd rather not waste a vote but if you were going to vote for Obama, then please vote for Johnson instead. I drank the Cool-Aid and believe with a R senate and Romney, Obamacare gets repealed.

Whether it's a tax, a penalty or confiscation, I and my business are going to be paying a hellofa lot more. I've got around 100 min wage to around $12 per hour employees and huge turnover (nature of the business). We're looking at an additional $200K of cost in a low margin business.
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Not that it is a ton better - but I think you are forgetting the 30 employee exemption...so more like $140k (which would require letting 7 employees go to recoup....).
 
#503
#503
Redstater said:
Yeah, and the temperature would be 5 degrees cooler this summer. How do you know Gore wouldn't have invaded Iraq? You're not going to be able to prove that hypothetical. Even a pontificating dilitante like Gore when presented with the evidence Bush received might have done the same thing. Maybe not. We'll never know. Thank God.
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The Bush administration was presented with the evidence they wanted presented to them.
 
#504
#504
Redstater said:
Yeah, and the temperature would be 5 degrees cooler this summer. How do you know Gore wouldn't have invaded Iraq? You're not going to be able to prove that hypothetical. Even a pontificating dilitante like Gore when presented with the evidence Bush received might have done the same thing. Maybe not. We'll never know. Thank God.
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What evidence did Bush receive concerning Iraq warranted invading?
 
#506
#506
TennTradition said:
Pretty much. And when presented with conflicting (but in some cases more convincing) analysis, they just went with what they wanted to believe.
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Everything I've read brings me to this conclusion as well. They wanted a certain story so afterward they could blame "bad intel". At no point were any of the decision makers interested in any realistic interpretation of the facts.
 
#507
#507
Redstater said:
Yeah, and the temperature would be 5 degrees cooler this summer. How do you know Gore wouldn't have invaded Iraq? You're not going to be able to prove that hypothetical. Even a pontificating dilitante like Gore when presented with the evidence Bush received might have done the same thing. Maybe not. We'll never know. Thank God.
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Must be trolling. After making a hypothetical statement that McCain wouldn't have done this and that, your response is that every defense is only hypothetical.

McCain would have made the same bailouts, he probably would've have allowed PIPA and SOPA to push through, and we would be involved in Syria and Iran. Then you can get into other hypothetical along the lines of some R spending measures and some anti-freedom measures.
 
#509
#509
rjd970 said:
Everything I've read brings me to this conclusion as well. They wanted a certain story so afterward they could blame "bad intel". At no point were any of the decision makers interested in any realistic interpretation of the facts.
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Yellow cake :)
 
#512
#512
The evidence presented was one sided, by design. There was no threat to the US, that much was clear.
 
#514
#514
Bush JR was a small picture guy.

He saw a crisis and zoned in. Everything else went away.
 
#515
#515
If a tenth of what was in that CIA movie about the information gathering before the war, it is absolutely sickening.
 
#516
#516
Gramps said:
It is public record.


In 1993, 23 Republican senators, including then-Minority Leader Robert Dole, cosponsored a bill introduced by Senator John Chafee that sought to achieve universal coverage through a mandate that is, a mandate on individuals to buy insurance.

Nearly every major health care interest group had endorsed substantial reforms--grandiose ones, in fact. The American Medical Association (AMA) and Health Insurance Association of America (HIAA), the two great, historic bastions of opposition to compulsory health insurance, both went on record in support of an employer mandate and universal coverage. Even the U.S. Chamber of Commerce endorsed an
employer mandate, as did many large corporation.


Senate Bill S770 introduced Nov1993
list of co sponsors
Sen Dole, Robert J.
*[KS] - 11/22/1993*
Sen Bond, Christopher S.
*[MO] - 11/22/1993*
Sen Hatfield, Mark O.
*[OR] - 11/22/1993*
Sen Bennett, Robert F.
*[UT] - 11/22/1993*
Sen Hatch, Orrin G.
*[UT] - 11/22/1993*
Sen Danforth, John C.
*[MO] - 11/22/1993*
Sen Brown, Hank
*[CO] - 11/22/1993(withdrawn - 10/4/1994)*
Sen Gorton, Slade
*[WA] - 11/22/1993*
Sen Simpson, Alan K.
*[WY] - 11/22/1993*
Sen Stevens, Ted
*[AK] - 11/22/1993*
Sen Cohen, William S.
*[ME] - 11/22/1993*
Sen Kassebaum, Nancy Landon
*[KS] - 11/22/1993*
Sen Warner, John
*[VA] - 11/22/1993*
Sen Specter, Arlen
*[PA] - 11/22/1993*
Sen Faircloth, Lauch
*[NC] - 11/22/1993*
Sen Domenici, Pete V.
*[NM] - 11/22/1993*
Sen Lugar, Richard G.
*[IN] - 11/22/1993*
Sen Grassley, Chuck
*[IA] - 11/22/1993*
Sen Durenberger, Dave
*[MN] - 11/22/1993*
Sen Boren, David L.
*[OK] - 5/17/1994
Sen Kerrey, J. Robert
*[NE] - 5/17/1994





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Never try to bring facts into a discussion with a republican . they will deny and deflect . I Love Our Volunteers . but its really Gratifying to me not to live in Tennessee at this time .
 
#520
#520
PKT_VOL Quote:
In your opinion, has Obama done a satisfactory job in his first term in office?
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You jest?

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This thread has taken a weird turn, I need to start a new thread.

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#521
#521
beachbums624 said:
Never try to bring facts into a discussion with a republican . they will deny and deflect . I Love Our Volunteers . but its really Gratifying to me not to live in Tennessee at this time .
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Only 3 guys on that list are still in office. Like it or not, The Tea Party has changed things
 
#525
#525
TennTradition said:
Pretty much. And when presented with conflicting (but in some cases more convincing) analysis, they just went with what they wanted to believe.
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And they wanted to believe it because?
1) George Bush was mad because Hussein attempted to
assisinate his father.
2) He wanted to take over Iraq's oil fields.
3) As Pete Stark said " He wanted our troops killed for
his enjoyment".
4) He was suffering from LowT and his doctor said
invading Iraq would get him hard.
 
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