Syria attack: Activists says dozens, including children, killed by gas

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therealUT said:
Yes, Germany eventually needed the oil. Not at that time, since... Drum roll... Russia was their ally and trading partner.

It was the biggest unnecessary blunder in the history of warfare.
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Didn't say it was a good rational. The biggest blunder in the history of warfare was the British protecting Poland and not letting Stalin and Hitler duke it out.
 
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midnight orange said:
Didn't say it was a good rational. The biggest blunder in the history of warfare was the British protecting Poland and not letting Stalin and Hitler duke it out.
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Don’t sell the Maginot Line short.

“Hey they’ll never get around this! WTF, they can’t just go around it?! That’s not fair!”
 
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The defenses of Assad in here rest on the following:

1. Assad is not a narcissist.

2. Persons are, as a general rule, good at assessing consequences and their own long term self interest.

3. Persons are, as a general rule, good at behaving according to that assessment.

Right...
 
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Pacer92 said:
Those French soldiers on the other side tho...

They had to think exactly that...lol..
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It was obsolete when it was built. It was made to fight wars 50+ years in the past and was built during a time of incredible warfare technology advancement
 
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therealUT said:
The defenses of Assad in here rest on the following:

1. Assad is not a narcissist.

2. Persons are, as a general rule, good at assessing consequences and their own long term self interest.

3. Persons are, as a general rule, good at behaving according to that assessment.

Right...
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The defense rest on the proof....nothing else...which is zero...

If there were factual evidence of Assad gassing his own people....US soldiers would've been smoking cigars in Assad's presidential palace years ago...
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Don’t sell the Maginot Line short.

“Hey they’ll never get around this! WTF, they can’t just go around it?! That’s not fair!”
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True but the French were part of the foolish decision to be a Polish protectorate. They basically were talking smack and got smacked.
 
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Pacer92 said:
The defense rest on the proof....nothing else...which is zero...

If there were factual evidence of Assad gassing his own people....US soldiers would've been smoking cigars in Assad's presidential palace years ago...
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What's your standard of proof?

What are your evidentiary standards?

And, the US soldier bit... Nope.
 
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Is there any reason to believe Assad is a rational person? All of this arguing about whether he did or did not do it seems to go back and forth on if he's rational. He's a dictator. He obviously believes it's his right to do whatever he wants. How does that support he thinks in a rational way?

As for why he would gas his own people? Why did Hitler commit any of the atrocities he did against German Jews and many other people as well? Why does a serial killer kill? Why does anyone do anything. Sometimes, it's just because they can.

As for why we should get involved? I'm not sure if we should or should not. I know we left Hitler alone long enough for him to grow into a global threat. Could that possibly happen with Assad? I don't know. Could Syria and other ME countries ally themselves with Russia and lead us into WWIII? Not a clue on my part. My point, I honestly don't know how to feel about US involvement. When we ignored Hitler, millions upon millions of people died. But if we're not committed to doing whatever it takes to win, then it's just another Vietnam.
 
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Pacer92 said:
The defense rest on the proof....nothing else...which is zero...

If there were factual evidence of Assad gassing his own people....US soldiers would've been smoking cigars in Assad's presidential palace years ago...
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Why would you believe this? Our recent history in warfare does not support us going all out to win wars.
 
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Weezer said:
Is there any reason to believe Assad is a rational person? All of this arguing about whether he did or did not do it seems to go back and forth on if he's rational. He's a dictator. He obviously believes it's his right to do whatever he wants. How does that support he thinks in a rational way?
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I guess the better question is why would you assume he's irrational? Why do you think he thinks he can do whatever he wants? Historically, things haven't ended well for most dictators. Fidel is the exception to the rule.

As for why he would gas his own people? Why did Hitler commit any of the atrocities he did against German Jews and many other people as well? Why does a serial killer kill? Why does anyone do anything. Sometimes, it's just because they can.

As for why we should get involved? I'm not sure if we should or should not. I know we left Hitler alone long enough for him to grow into a global threat. Could that possibly happen with Assad? I don't know. Could Syria and other ME countries ally themselves with Russia and lead us into WWIII? Not a clue on my part. My point, I honestly don't know how to feel about US involvement. When we ignored Hitler, millions upon millions of people died. But if we're not committed to doing whatever it takes to win, then it's just another Vietnam.
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He's not Hitler. He's fighting terrorists within his borders, not invading other countries and committing genocide against civilians.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I guess the better question is why would you assume he's irrational? Why do you think he thinks he can do whatever he wants? Historically, things haven't ended well for most dictators. Fidel is the exception to the rule.



He's not Hitler. He's fighting terrorists within his borders, not invading other countries and committing genocide against civilians.
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He's just a good and decent misunderstood guy who forces his citizens to vote for him in sham elections.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I guess the better question is why would you assume he's irrational? Why do you think he thinks he can do whatever he wants? Historically, things haven't ended well for most dictators. Fidel is the exception to the rule.



He's not Hitler. He's fighting terrorists within his borders, not invading other countries and committing genocide against civilians.
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How many dictators have been considered rational? Trut is correct in that it takes a certain narcissism to be a dictator. That does not favor rational thought on his part. As for Hitler, he didn't start out invading other countries either. He took the time to crush all of his opposition in Germany first. Isn't that kind of what Assad is doing?
 
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But, hey, his face is on the currency for his 50% unemployment rate country that continues to give him a 90% thumbs up in "elections".
 
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Weezer said:
How many dictators have been considered rational? Trut is correct in that it takes a certain narcissism to be a dictator. That does not favor rational thought on his part. As for Hitler, he didn't start out invading other countries either. He took the time to crush all of his opposition in Germany first. Isn't that kind of what Assad is doing?
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OK, but say your worst fears are correct and he's going to invade one of his neighbors, or something crazy like that, the bottom line is he isn't a significant threat to us. The worst he can do is goad us into a quagmire, but that requires our self-destructive compliance.
 
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n_huffhines said:
OK, but say your worst fears are correct and he's going to invade one of his neighbors, or something crazy like that, the bottom line is he isn't a significant threat to us. The worst he can do is goad us into a quagmire, but that requires our self-destructive compliance.
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He's not a significant threat to us NOW. You can't assume that doesn't change if left to his own devices. Do you think Germany was considered a big threat after losing WWI?

And on a larger scale, whatever benefits Russia, does not benefit us, unless you believe Putin is also just a misunderstood dictator.
 
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Weezer said:
He's not a significant threat to us NOW. You can't assume that doesn't change if left to his own devices. Do you think Germany was considered a big threat after losing WWI?

And on a larger scale, whatever benefits Russia, does not benefit us, unless you believe Putin is also just a misunderstood dictator.
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Not worried. Germany was considered a big threat after ww1 and that was in part why the treaty of Versailles was so punitive. It wasn't a surrender, it was an armistice.
 
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