Syrian Kurds are close to declaring Independence

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I don't know the right answer in this situation, but every time I hear anyone say we should send our military anywhere, I wonder if they're willing to enlist and go fight themselves. It's easy to say we should be involved when you sit safely here in America, comfortable in your home. I think, sometimes, some forget these are real people, men and women, getting sent to risk their lives for a cause that is not theirs.

Why is it that America is always expected to be the one to take charge? It's okay to let other countries lead the efforts, IMO.
 
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Weezer said:
I don't know the right answer in this situation, but every time I hear anyone say we should send our military anywhere, I wonder if they're willing to enlist and go fight themselves. It's easy to say we should be involved when you sit safely here in America, comfortable in your home. I think, sometimes, some forget these are real people, men and women, getting sent to risk their lives for a cause that is not theirs.

Why is it that America is always expected to be the one to take charge? It's okay to let other countries lead the efforts, IMO.
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If a people look you in the eye and say they are willing to fight and die for their freedom and all they want you to do is put a rifle in their hand and assist here and there you. And America we know of on the international stage was created after it led the world to victory or the Axis and again won the Cold War. When you are the world’s only remaining superpower, the worlds largest economy, the leader of the Western world, and the moral compass and leader of the free world you inundated of have moral responsibilities and the are obligated to intervene when the interest of the United States are threatened.
 
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We pushed a dependable ally to make a deal with Russia, thus creating a favorable situation and foreign policy victory for the hostile foreign entity.
 
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The SDF has apparently struck a deal with Assad, the Syrian Army will be moving into Kobani to defend it from the Turks.
 
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So I wonder if Turkey will at least be honest enough to rename the territory “liberated” from their ethic adversarial “terrorist” opponents New Crimea
 
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Grand Vol said:
And when Turkey kills the first Russian soldier and they massively retaliate, we're going to have a serious conundrum.
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Do you think NATO will be willing to go to the mat to defend Turkey’s land grab here from Russia if Russia ratchets up a response? I don’t think they will. In fact they would probably just demand Turkey leave NATO if they occupy territory. And we damn well better have telegraphed to that bastard Erdogan that he owns this **** show lock, stock, and barrel. Screw Incerlik it isn’t worth this debacle.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Do you think NATO will be willing to go to the mat to defend Turkey’s land grab here from Russia if Russia ratchets up a response? I don’t think they will. In fact they would probably just demand Turkey leave NATO if they occupy territory. And we damn well better have telegraphed to that bastard Erdogan that he owns this **** show lock, stock, and barrel. Screw Incerlik it isn’t worth this debacle.
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I am somewhat confused with this mess.Syrian forces have been green lighted to move into current Kurdish operated territory so the Kurds are fighting the Syrians (and de facto Russians) and Turks now? Or is the Syrian movement a hedge against the Turks movement?
 
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Stew Cook said:
if they're honest, they'll say the Kurds got "Trumped".
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Oh, I'm sure the Democrats and media are going to come up with all kinds of snazzy slogans.

I do find the "Russia will get a foothold in the Middle East!" comments rather humorous. As if they didn't have a longstanding relationship in the Middle East as it is going back to the Soviet Union days. But the Chicken Littles of the world just can't stop from seeing "Muh Russians!" behind every corner.

I especially like the "We're the world's remaining superpower and we need to act like it!" argument. Here's the thing. Turkey is violating the internationally recognized sovereign territory of Syria. If Syria (and all groups therein) decides to enlist Russian help with that little problem, we can (and should) tell the Turks to GFY when the Russians go after them. They alone are responsible for this problem since they took it upon themselves to perform that invasion.

Of course, GOP warhawks and Democrats opposing everything Trump does will screech and scream about one of our "allies" getting attacked and invoking Article 5. Because, of course, we can't have THAT even though the Turks started it. They are being a bully right now and the little kid is asking for help from his big cousin.

If that big cousin steps in, we have serious questions to ask on whether or not we should honor our treaty commitments when one of our "own" is the aggressor.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Oh, I'm sure the Democrats and media are going to come up with all kinds of snazzy slogans.

I do find the "Russia will get a foothold in the Middle East!" comments rather humorous. As if they didn't have a longstanding relationship in the Middle East as it is going back to the Soviet Union days. But the Chicken Littles of the world just can't stop from seeing "Muh Russians!" behind every corner.

I especially like the "We're the world's remaining superpower and we need to act like it!" argument. Here's the thing. Turkey is violating the internationally recognized sovereign territory of Syria. If Syria (and all groups therein) decides to enlist Russian help with that little problem, we can (and should) tell the Turks to GFY when the Russians go after them. They alone are responsible for this problem since they took it upon themselves to perform that invasion.

Of course, GOP warhawks and Democrats opposing everything Trump does will screech and scream about one of our "allies" getting attacked and invoking Article 5. Because, of course, we can't have THAT even though the Turks started it. They are being a bully right now and the little kid is asking for help from his big cousin.

If that big cousin steps in, we have serious questions to ask on whether or not we should honor our treaty commitments when one of our "own" is the aggressor.
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Well, we are talking about Syria, so the Russians around every corner applies well enough.

As it is, our troops are now observers. I suppose someone could ask them how they feel about it.
 
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Orangeburst65 said:
I am somewhat confused with this mess.Syrian forces have been green lighted to move into current Kurdish operated territory so the Kurds are fighting the Syrians (and de facto Russians) and Turks now? Or is the Syrian movement a hedge against the Turks movement?
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I believe the Kurds, Syrians, and Russians are in the middle of foreplay before getting formally in bed together. I don’t think the Kurds can stand the Syrians or the Russians but a tenuous alliance there might save them from ethnic destruction at the hands of Erdogan. This fight has been coming for a very long time. We need to get the hell out of the way.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Oh, I'm sure the Democrats and media are going to come up with all kinds of snazzy slogans.

I do find the "Russia will get a foothold in the Middle East!" comments rather humorous. As if they didn't have a longstanding relationship in the Middle East as it is going back to the Soviet Union days. But the Chicken Littles of the world just can't stop from seeing "Muh Russians!" behind every corner.

I especially like the "We're the world's remaining superpower and we need to act like it!" argument. Here's the thing. Turkey is violating the internationally recognized sovereign territory of Syria. If Syria (and all groups therein) decides to enlist Russian help with that little problem, we can (and should) tell the Turks to GFY when the Russians go after them. They alone are responsible for this problem since they took it upon themselves to perform that invasion.

Of course, GOP warhawks and Democrats opposing everything Trump does will screech and scream about one of our "allies" getting attacked and invoking Article 5. Because, of course, we can't have THAT even though the Turks started it. They are being a bully right now and the little kid is asking for help from his big cousin.

If that big cousin steps in, we have serious questions to ask on whether or not we should honor our treaty commitments when one of our "own" is the aggressor.
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You have to admit, it seemed a little more cut and dry during the bi-polar world Cold War.
 
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Stew Cook said:
Well, we are talking about Syria, so the Russians around every corner applies well enough.

As it is, our troops are now observers. I suppose someone could ask them how they feel about it.
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What we need to do is fly in a bunch of C-17’s, load all of our personnel and all of our damn equipment up, and turn around on the ramp of the last C-17 and channel MacArthur and state “we shall NOT return!”
 
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