Syrian Kurds are close to declaring Independence

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Mick said:
Nobody is using anything against the Russians. They're buying from them. Both offensive and defensive weapons. Both Syria and Turkey. You're the one predicting a war between Syria and Turkey that we must step aside to let happen. You are too dumb to not recognize it's not a war between Syria and Turkey. Syria is on the sidelines while the Turks beat back our only ally in the Northern Syria Region.
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Oh, I'm sorry, do you have short term memory loss? Because I distinctly remember:

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Turkey will undoubtedly be using Russian weapons if they did. Did you not get the memo that Russia is supplying Turkey with weapons now as well as syria.
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You were the one claiming Turkey would be using Russian weapons against Russians.
 
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carlos86 said:
Trump tell Erdogan he doesn’t care if they invade. (This is suppose to be a bluff because Trump doesn’t think he will)

Erdogan calls his bluff and invades.
U.S. commanders on the ground are confused because they had a deal.

Trump gets on national tv and gives his “green light press conference”

Chaos ensues
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Don't lump yourself in with Mick in being ignorant. Your own link from earlier makes this post look stupid and ignorant.

Here's what happened (not for you since you'll ignore it anyway, for others who have a desire to actually learn the truth)

Joint patrol deal struck:

More US troops could go to Syria to help reduce tensions with Turkey - CNNPolitics

US, Turkish troops launch joint 'safe zone' operation in northeast Syria

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Can't agree on the depth of the zone:

No, We’re Not Selling Out the Syrian Kurds. But We Should Mediate Their Conflict With Turkey.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...fca794-ea02-11e9-a329-7378fbfa1b63_story.html

Erdogan says "Eff you"

Turkey’s Syria ‘safe zone’ deadline expires

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...en-as-joint-syria-patrols-begin-idUSKCN1VT0JI

Erdogan ready to invade:

https://www.rt.com/news/470264-turkey-ready-operations-syria/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-usa-idUSKCN1WK053

https://www.dailysabah.com/war-on-t...ation-east-of-euphrates-in-syria-erdogan-says

Erdogan gets his wish to teach that Tar Baby a lesson.

https://www.axios.com/trump-erdogan...uff-fc761d8f-e33b-473b-8ece-d0b8b3a51f26.html

And here we are.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Don't lump yourself in with Mick in being ignorant. Your own link from earlier makes this post look stupid and ignorant.

Here's what happened (not for you since you'll ignore it anyway, for others who have a desire to actually learn the truth)

Joint patrol deal struck:

More US troops could go to Syria to help reduce tensions with Turkey - CNNPolitics

US, Turkish troops launch joint 'safe zone' operation in northeast Syria

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Can't agree on the depth of the zone:

No, We’re Not Selling Out the Syrian Kurds. But We Should Mediate Their Conflict With Turkey.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...fca794-ea02-11e9-a329-7378fbfa1b63_story.html

Erdogan says "Eff you"

Turkey’s Syria ‘safe zone’ deadline expires

Turkey cites disagreements with U.S. even as joint Syria patrols begin

Erdogan ready to invade:

Turkey ready to start own ops in N. Syria ‘today or tomorrow’ as setting up safe zone with US became ‘fairytale’ – Erdogan

Erdogan says Turkey to launch military operation in northeast Syria

Turkey ready for operation east of Euphrates in Syria, Erdoğan says

Erdogan gets his wish to teach that Tar Baby a lesson.

Behind the scenes of the Trump bluff that kicked off Turkey's invasion

And here we are.
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rump called a bluff that wasn't a bluff and is a bitch. There is not victory for Trump, the US, or the Redhats. Trump took his ball and went home.
 
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Mick said:
Trump didn't do anything different except bomb an abandoned airbase.
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All I'm saying is they both screwed up. As far as Trump's decision is concerned, it seems weird to me that he talks to Edrogan, abandons our Kurdish allies, basically gives Turkey the green light to invade northern Syria, and then turns around a says we will sanction Turkey and destroy their economy for doing the exact thing Trump gave him the go ahead to do by withdrawing troops from there.

The entire situation is a mess, and no president in my lifetime is without blame. But this seems to be a pattern with Trump in screwing up foreign policy based on his affinity for autocrats. There just doesn't seem to be a strategy to any of this. He claims to want to withdraw from "endless wars", then sends troops to Saudi Arabia after pulling them from northern Syria? There just doesn't seem to be a method to the madness here.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
All I'm saying is they both screwed up. As far as Trump's decision is concerned, it seems weird to me that he talks to Edrogan, abandons our Kurdish allies, basically gives Turkey the green light to invade northern Syria, and then turns around a says we will sanction Turkey and destroy their economy for doing the exact thing Trump gave him the go ahead to do by withdrawing troops from there.

The entire situation is a mess, and no president in my lifetime is without blame. But this seems to be a pattern with Trump in screwing up foreign policy based on his affinity for autocrats. There just doesn't seem to be a strategy to any of this. He claims to want to withdraw from "endless wars", then sends troops to Saudi Arabia after pulling them from northern Syria? There just doesn't seem to be a method to the madness here.
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Did you read the Axios article posted earlier?
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion, but how difficult would it be to boot Turkey out of NATO? With Edrogan they don't seem like a good fit in an organization designed to protect Western Democracy. That might be a knee-jerk reaction on my part, but that dude is a fing insane autocrat.
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It would be hard because there not really a rule Or process to boot a country out. The SECGEN and the members would have to create a criteria to do so. The best criteria would be the reverse process for to enter the alliance

Compatibility of domestic legislation with NATO cooperation


Willingness to settle international, ethnic or external territorial disputes by peaceful means, commitment to the rule of law and human rights, and democratic control of armed forces
 
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zeppelin128 said:
All I'm saying is they both screwed up. As far as Trump's decision is concerned, it seems weird to me that he talks to Edrogan, abandons our Kurdish allies, basically gives Turkey the green light to invade northern Syria, and then turns around a says we will sanction Turkey and destroy their economy for doing the exact thing Trump gave him the go ahead to do by withdrawing troops from there.

The entire situation is a mess, and no president in my lifetime is without blame. But this seems to be a pattern with Trump in screwing up foreign policy based on his affinity for autocrats. There just doesn't seem to be a strategy to any of this. He claims to want to withdraw from "endless wars", then sends troops to Saudi Arabia after pulling them from northern Syria? There just doesn't seem to be a method to the madness here.
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look at it this way, Trump owed Putin something for helping elect him. Certain things in the quid pro quo could not be done because of the mueller investigation. Trump meets with Putin off the record and the next day Trump announces the withdraw from Syria. There was backlash from our military and people resigned over it. Now we are withdrawing from Syria. That's what were looking at.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Exactly what "victory" was there for us in Syria?
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Defeat ISIS was the stated mission but in actuality, it was to be a buffer in the region. It was a good effective buffer. Did you not understand this from the get go with our involvement in Syria? The Kurds were the ones being bombed with chemical weapons by Syria. Are you retarded?
 
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Mick said:
look at it this way, Trump owed Putin something for helping elect him. Certain things in the quid pro quo could not be done because of the mueller investigation. Trump meets with Putin off the record and the next day Trump announces the withdraw from Syria. There was backlash from our military and people resigned over it. Now we are withdrawing from Syria. That's what were looking at.
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Which Twitter feed did you pull that off of?

You aren't smart enough to come up with it on your own.
 
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Mick said:
look at it this way, Trump owed Putin something for helping elect him. Certain things in the quid pro quo could not be done because of the mueller investigation. Trump meets with Putin off the record and the next day Trump announces the withdraw from Syria. There was backlash from our military and people resigned over it. Now we are withdrawing from Syria. That's what were looking at.
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I’m not willing to take that leap. I believe it’s either ignorance or a total dislike of the Western world order.
 
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Mick said:
Defeat ISIS was the stated mission but in actuality, it was to be a buffer in the region. It was a good effective buffer. Did you not understand this from the get go with our involvement in Syria? The Kurds were the ones being bombed with chemical weapons by Syria. Are you retarded?
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You mean this attack?

Khan Shaykhun chemical attack - Wikipedia

In this town?

Khan Shaykhun - Wikipedia

Which is in this governorate?

Idlib Governorate - Wikipedia

Which isn't anywhere near Kurdish Syria?
 
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Mick said:
— A source close to Trump

At least you have a "source".
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Normally, I'd dismiss such reports, but since they stated up front they had six sources, I'd give it a bit more credibility than what CNN or MSNBC actually puts out with their single "sources."
 
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Stew Cook said:
I might believe the accounts of the article which reference past exchanges between Trump and Erdogan, but I'm not sure who can give an account of what went down on the fateful call.

Who I initiated the call, and who witnessed it? Supposedly both Trump and Pompeo and no one else.

Anyway, what transpired on the call set these events in motion.
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The events were set in motion prior to. Erdogan was staging forces prior to that call (one of the links I posted).

Now, you are correct in asking who initiated the call. But the bigger question is, was Erdogan going to be stopped from pushing into Syria?

As I stated in another thread, you don't put on a condom unless you're about to screw. Erdogan was too politically invested in this to pull back. He pulls his military back, he loses a lot of cred back home. He had little other options except to go through with his threats.

Does make one wonder if this was known all along. As well as the ramifications of doing so (enumerated in the article)
 
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Grand Vol said:
Normally, I'd dismiss such reports, but since they stated up front they had six sources, I'd give it a bit more credibility than what CNN or MSNBC actually puts out with their single "sources."
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Simple question with yes or no answer:
Did we abandon our only ally in the region?
 
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