Syrian Kurds are close to declaring Independence

[carlos86]

The American troops were strategically placed to try to prevent what we are seeing. Your hypothetical after the withdrawal is a moot point, wouldn't you say? Seeing what's happening and thinking what could have been a silly game redhats like to play. At ;east we don't have the war hawk Hillary in office, at least our troops weren't killed, at least they couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt Trump conspired with Russia, at least we got out of that bad nuclear deal with Iran and the arms treaty with Russia.

And we convinced the Kurds to destroy their defensive positions in exchange for protection from the Turks.

 

[carlos86]

Should American lives be gambled on a dick measuring contest?

Where have you been the last 150 years of American foreign policy???

 

[Stew Cook]

I'm truly baffled that some are still trying to spit shine this turd. But keep spitting and shining. Whatever.

 

[Mick]

And we convinced the Kurds to destroy their defensive positions in exchange for protection from the Turks.

You have a link or was that sarcasm? You're my go to on this.

 

[Grand Vol]

Turkey will undoubtedly be using Russian weapons if they did. Did you not get the memo that Russia is supplying Turkey with weapons now as well as syria.

There was a sale of the S-300 (or 400, don't recall) SAM system.

Otherwise, let's just delve into what Turkey has in their inventory...

Has to be their Army, right?

List of equipment of the Turkish Land Forces - Wikipedia

I'm seeing a lot of US and NATO equipment on there. As well as a bunch of local build stuff. A few Russian systems here and there, but not a lot.

I guess you meant their Air Force?

List of active aircraft of the Turkish Air Force - Wikipedia

Don't see any Russian equipment there either. Maybe you meant their Navy uses a bunch of Russian/former Soviet equipment?

List of active ships of the Turkish Naval Forces - Wikipedia

Looks like you're striking out each and every time. Time for you to be quiet yet again.

 

[Mick]

So you didn’t read the damn article huh dip wad? It clearly stated Erdogan expected Trump to back him down so he wouldn’t have to put up or shut up. Trump called it and told him grats he owns it. It was a bluff.

Oh, so Trump goaded him into attacking the Kurds. My bad.

 

[carlos86]

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Man who let the cows out of the pasture is now running around yelling at them for running through the open gate.

 

[Grand Vol]

Oh, so Trump goaded him into attacking the Kurds. My bad.

You truly are a ****ing idiot.

 

[Mick]

There was a sale of the S-300 (or 400, don't recall) SAM system.

Otherwise, let's just delve into what Turkey has in their inventory...

Has to be their Army, right?

List of equipment of the Turkish Land Forces - Wikipedia

I'm seeing a lot of US and NATO equipment on there. As well as a bunch of local build stuff. A few Russian systems here and there, but not a lot.

I guess you meant their Air Force?

List of active aircraft of the Turkish Air Force - Wikipedia

Don't see any Russian equipment there either. Maybe you meant their Navy uses a bunch of Russian/former Soviet equipment?

List of active ships of the Turkish Naval Forces - Wikipedia

Looks like you're striking out each and every time. Time for you to be quiet yet again.

Turkey Gets Shipment of Russian Missile System, Defying U.S.
newsweek.com/russia-sending-more-weapons-nato-turkey-lawmaker-vows-s-400-missiles-arrive-1449212
Turkey’s Arms Deal with Russia Is an Affront to NATO
Turkey receives shipment of S-400 missile defense technology from Russia - CNN

 

[Grand Vol]

Turkey Gets Shipment of Russian Missile System, Defying U.S.
newsweek.com/russia-sending-more-weapons-nato-turkey-lawmaker-vows-s-400-missiles-arrive-1449212
Turkey’s Arms Deal with Russia Is an Affront to NATO
Turkey receives shipment of S-400 missile defense technology from Russia - CNN

I would try to explain what that system actually is and how it isn't an offensive weapon, but it'll be a wasted effort.

 

[Mick]

You truly are a ****ing idiot.

Must have got lonely in your bunker.

 

[carlos86]

You have a link or was that sarcasm? You're my go to on this.

No this was the agreement. The U.S. would observe the Kurds destroying their defenses and would patrol the buffer zone between the 2 with the Turks, and Turkey promised not to invade.

 

[Grand Vol]

No this was the agreement. The U.S. would observe the Kurds destroying their defenses and would patrol the buffer zone between the 2 with the Turks, and Turkey promised not to invade.

And? What happened then?

 

[Mick]

I would try to explain what that system actually is and how it isn't an offensive weapon, but it'll be a wasted effort.

Their defensive weapon, supplied by Russia, is to help them in their future battle with Syria supplied with offensive weapons by Russia? Obama drew the line and Trump moved it back a couple countries. You are a special kind of ****ing moron.

Russia Is Trying to Sell Turkey Its Own Stealthy New Fighter After U.S. Revoked Access to F-35

 

[NorthDallas40]

Oh, so Trump goaded him into attacking the Kurds. My bad.

The premise of the article is Trump called his bluff. While providing a narrative to show that Axios couldn’t bring themselves to say that do they said Erdogan called Trumps bluff. Multiple people have pointed that out to you. Your reply thus far...”Nuh uh!!”

 

[Mick]

No this was the agreement. The U.S. would observe the Kurds destroying their defenses and would patrol the buffer zone between the 2 with the Turks, and Turkey promised not to invade.

Did that happen? that tweet was from 20 months ago.

 

[Grand Vol]

Their defensive weapon,

So...how exactly is that going to be used against the Russians again?

It's pretty much like our Patriot system. Defensive in nature only. Anti-missile defense.

Maybe you should go back to the impeachment thread. This one's over your head.

 

[Stew Cook]

Honest question. If our troops, waiting to be evacuated were to be killed, who is the blame going to be pinned on (eg Turks, Russians, Kurds, Isis)?

Also, would that deserving of a retaliation, or does that depend on who gets the blame?

 

[Matt2496]

Trump Followed His Gut on Syria. Calamity Came Fast.

 

[zeppelin128]

Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion, but how difficult would it be to boot Turkey out of NATO? With Edrogan they don't seem like a good fit in an organization designed to protect Western Democracy. That might be a knee-jerk reaction on my part, but that dude is a fing insane autocrat.

 

[carlos86]

And? What happened then?

Trump tell Erdogan he doesn’t care if they invade. (This is suppose to be a bluff because Trump doesn’t think he will)

Erdogan calls his bluff and invades.
U.S. commanders on the ground are confused because they had a deal.

Trump gets on national tv and gives his “green light press conference”

Chaos ensues

 

[Mick]

So...how exactly is that going to be used against the Russians again?

It's pretty much like our Patriot system. Defensive in nature only. Anti-missile defense.

Maybe you should go back to the impeachment thread. This one's over your head.

Nobody is using anything against the Russians. They're buying from them. Both offensive and defensive weapons. Both Syria and Turkey. You're the one predicting a war between Syria and Turkey that we must step aside to let happen. You are too dumb to not recognize it's not a war between Syria and Turkey. Syria is on the sidelines while the Turks beat back our only ally in the Northern Syria Region.

 

[Stew Cook]

Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion, but how difficult would it be to boot Turkey out of NATO? With Edrogan they don't seem like a good fit in an organization designed to protect Western Democracy. That might be a knee-jerk reaction on my part, but that dude is a fing insane autocrat.

Can't say I know..

but I suspect Russia has been hoping for this. I'm not going to speculate on how vast the conspiracy is, but I'd not dismiss any of the major players.

 

[Mick]

Trump tell Erdogan he doesn’t care if they invade. (This is suppose to be a bluff because Trump doesn’t think he will)

Erdogan calls his bluff and invades.
U.S. commanders on the ground are confused because they had a deal.

Trump gets on national tv and gives his “green light press conference”

Chaos ensues

Grand rejoins VN to rub Trump's nuts and claim victory.

 

[Mick]

Obama drew a line and the sand and Trump ran. Catchy slogan. TM