Take it or leave it …

[volnbama_]

11+2 doesn’t equal 12 sorry



The entire topic is based off the regular season which determines championships
And playoff opportunities… 10-2 is what I think is the ceiling ..


A meaningless bowl game win or lose isn’t part of this discussion

The math has changed with a 12 team playoff, 10-2 regular season gets you in the dance now

 

[BruinVol]

Nope. No reference to regular season. Just total wins and losses compared to the past.
But you do you

The damn topic gives regular season record ….



Good grief

 

[BruinVol]

The math has changed with a 12 team playoff, 10-2 regular season gets you in the dance now

Agreed. It gets you in sometimes anyways

 

[Orangeslice13]

No amount of luck allows us to win the florida or mizzu game


Completely outclassed those two games


But I agree I’m keeping him too

You remember when CPF was hired and Bama had our number. The first couple years was more of the same….then it all changed for a decade. People want to say that Bama was down but they were ranked every time we played them.
Florida isn’t an automatic loss and there’s a reason Saban doesn’t want to play us every year anymore.

 

[TN1111]

Saban’s run has been in a very “thin” SEC also. Tennessee, Florida has both sucked most of his time at Alabama. Ga got real good after Saban’s first 10 yrs (2017). He basically had to beat Les Miles- coached LSU & occasionally a good Auburn team coached by Malzhan.

Yep. And if you don’t think Kirby has benefited from TN and Florida being down, you’re not paying attention. He has had hardly any competition in the East with TN & FL administration’s crapping the bed -Tennessee’s especially.

Kirby has beaten Saban once. Or the same amount as Josh Heupel. There’s been a lot of turmoil and turnover at some of the big programs.

 

[Orangeslice13]

The damn topic gives regular season record ….



Good grief

Look at those goalposts way over there

 

[BruinVol]

You remember when CPF was hired and Bama had our number. The first couple years was more of the same….then it all changed for a decade. People want to say that Bama was down but they were ranked every time we played them.
Florida isn’t an automatic loss and there’s a reason Saban doesn’t want to play us every year anymore.

Oh I think we can and will beat florida and bama going forward.


I just think this offensive scheme has built in losses every year. The running game is going to get stuffed and we will lose at least 2 regular season games every year with this style

 

[BruinVol]

Look at those goalposts way over there

The goalpost in the poll that started the thread ??

 

[amorange]

So, no trips to Atlanta, or NY6 bowls, or playoffs is ok? Good enough?

Might as well be realistic it is what it is.

 

[Vols410]

You can’t just look at those numbers alone. You need to look at what Mich state was before Saban got there and the same with LSU.




JH has a track record at UCF of seeing a program on the decline…. Without the decline of UCF I think your overall point of only using 3 years at Tenn to determine a ceiling is fair but we do have the obvious trend at UCF and it wasn’t good

This defeats your own point, as Tennessee was likely in a far worse position than either of those two schools, particularly LSU. Bottom line still stands: hasn’t and can’t are entirely different things and you’re jumping to conclusions.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

I think it’s clear this staff with its style of offense is going to give us many many 7-9 wins seasons… I also think we are never going to win more than 10. I don’t think this offense is ever avoiding the stinker type outings we saw today and at Florida… it’s just two built In losses.


From my seat watching the Vols in 80s-present I’m never going to be upset with 8-9 win years so I am voting take it. Jmo

With the expanded playoffs 10 wins could get us into the playoff. Definitely can’t complain about that

 

[BruinVol]

This defeats your own point, as Tennessee was likely in a far worse position than either of those two schools, particularly LSU. Bottom line still stands: hasn’t and can’t are entirely different things and you’re jumping to conclusions.

Agreed but we have the 3 declining years at UCF to look at as well. It appears to me CJH scheme is one that as opponents get familiar with it the success falls

 

[Vols410]

Agreed but we have the 3 declining years at UCF to look at as well. It appears to me CJH scheme is one that as opponents get familiar with it the success falls

There’s no downward trend here though. He went from good in year 1, to excellent year 2, to good again year 3. Dropoffs happen after you lose a Heisman-caliber player, but the program very clearly isn’t on a downward trajectory since he arrived. That’s just simple recency bias.

 

[BruinVol]

There’s no downward trend here though. He went from good in year 1, to excellent year 2, to good again year 3. Dropoffs happen after you lose a Heisman-caliber player, but the program very clearly isn’t on a downward trajectory since he arrived. That’s just simple recency bias.

I somewhat agree with that. These next two games matter a lot with that. If we get blown out by Georgia that would be 3 blow out losses. I’d have to say that’s more than just losing a heisman type player. Especially considering it seems obvious to me Joe isn’t the problem at the present time

 

[HollowaytoSeivers]

Did we forget the 5-6 season in 2005?

I've tried to.

 

[Hairy Vols]

I think it’s clear this staff with its style of offense is going to give us many many 7-9 wins seasons… I also think we are never going to win more than 10. I don’t think this offense is ever avoiding the stinker type outings we saw today and at Florida… it’s just two built In losses.


From my seat watching the Vols in 80s-present I’m never going to be upset with 8-9 win years so I am voting take it. Jmo

Didn’t we win 11 last year? Yall out here being so dramatic after a tough loss. It seems like those who can’t find things to discuss within the X’s and O’s and schematics of the game tend to just complain about the coach.

There is so much more to discuss with the loss versus discussing the validity of the coach. He isn’t going anywhere for at least the next 3-5 years. And if he continues like he has so far we will continue to be in, and eventually get into the playoffs.

This post makes zero sense. You should try discussing deeper topics.

 

[jeff1vol]

You must be a young fan, Jeffrey. Because after living through the post Fulmer years, I would take a 50-10 record over the next 5 years hands down…..

If you think 10-2 is mediocrity, you must have become one of the most recent Vol fans ever because 50 wins for the program before Heupel took all 5 years of Butch and all 3 years of Pruitt…..

You obviously weren’t around or a fan of the program during those 2 tenures if you call 10-2 mediocrity…

Unfortunately, Ive been around since 10-2 was considered the FLOOR for our football program, so... Never said 10-2 was mediocre. Go back and read again. 8-4 is mediocre. And here we are.

 

[chattavol420]

I think it’s clear this staff with its style of offense is going to give us many many 7-9 wins seasons… I also think we are never going to win more than 10. I don’t think this offense is ever avoiding the stinker type outings we saw today and at Florida… it’s just two built In losses.


From my seat watching the Vols in 80s-present I’m never going to be upset with 8-9 win years so I am voting take it. Jmo

Crazy comment. In year 2 heupel took this team to within a stones throw of the playoffs. The issue this year is the qb. And thstd certainly on the staff. You have to much (and get right) tins of decisions to be a successful head coach, but no single decision they make per year is more importantly, than choosing your QB. And again… Hyper drop the ball here. We all watched Milton play a couple of years ago. He’s very athletic for a qb but ultimately is too inconsistent and just doesn’t have that it Factor where he puts the team on his back and does special things.
Now, some will say he’s not the reason we lost yesterday. But I begged to differ. Great qbs elevate their team. And Milton just doesn’t have that type of potential. We have to hope he can be just a game manager. He’s done a good job of that the last three weeks making some good throws etc. But there are always puzzling mental aspects to his game. One of the things he’s been doing over the past three games is run well. That’s probably the biggest change from when we saw him early in the year and certainly has added another dimension to the offense. So what does he do yesterday at the time we most needed it? He refused to run to run on the majority of the RPO’s or Options. We ran. And when he did Ron on several occasions, he was extremely tentative leaving yards out on the field.

 

[BruinVol]

Crazy comment. In year 2 heupel took this team to within a stones throw of the playoffs. The issue this year is the qb. And thstd certainly on the staff. You have to much (and get right) tins of decisions to be a successful head coach, but no single decision they make per year is more importantly, than choosing your QB. And again… Hyper drop the ball here. We all watched Milton play a couple of years ago. He’s very athletic for a qb but ultimately is too inconsistent and just doesn’t have that it Factor where he puts the team on his back and does special things.
Now, some will say he’s not the reason we lost yesterday. But I begged to differ. Great qbs elevate their team. And Milton just doesn’t have that type of potential. We have to hope he can be just a game manager. He’s done a good job of that the last three weeks making some good throws etc. But there are always puzzling mental aspects to his game. One of the things he’s been doing over the past three games is run well. That’s probably the biggest change from when we saw him early in the year and certainly has added another dimension to the offense. So what does he do yesterday at the time we most needed it? He refused to run to run on the majority of the RPO’s or Options. We ran. And when he did Ron on several occasions, he was extremely tentative leaving yards out on the field.

Really poor post …





Joe was the best player on the field yesterday in orange minus the punter…

 

[utvolz98]

My son is 22 ….


He’s never seen one




We need to change our expectations imo

What a loser mentality.

 

[utvolz98]

The only things clear to me at this point are that Milton is football stupid and Heupel needs to learn to adjust and win in big games on the road.

 

[chattavol420]

Really poor post …





Joe was the best player on the field yesterday in orange minus the punter…

The fact that you would say he was the best player on the field… Says nothing. That’s the lowest you could set the bar.

And separately… a lot of players on the other side of the field were better than him yesterday. I guess you meant he was our best player. Surely to God, you’re not saying he was better than Brady Cook?

And there you go again justifying average performance. Milton missed a handful of shots and also turned the ball over twice? He also was seemingly reluctant to run.

And finally the reason we’ve went to this run/safety first and abandoned the down the field passes is due to Milton being ineffective at hitting them earlier in the season. We’ve never seen Heupel choose to run this style of offense.

I’ll make a prediction here… a few years down the road, I bet that you along with a large number of Milton apologist look back on this year, and acknowledge Milton held this offense back considerably. I believe Milton will be the only QB Heupel has had under his tutelage for multiple years that won’t go on to be an amazing playmaker that puts up monster numbers. Go back and look at Heiple track record. From Oklahoma to Missouri to UCF and last year with hooker… His track record for getting quarterbacks performing at a ridiculous level is unmatched by any other offensive coach and college football today. He just made a mistake in his evaluation with Milton and we were always going to suffer the consequences this year.

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

I’m looking for a national title, otherwise what’s the point.

We should always be striving for sec and national championships. That is the standard. And from what Heupel started with it is way to early to say he isn’t a championship coach. Now in 2 more years we will have a much clearer picture of things. I still have faith Heupel is on the right path. I look forward to the new quarterback era, I don’t see our problem being the quarterback position in the future. This was always the bridge year for UT. We are recruiting well, we will have a lot of young talent on the roster next year but here is where leaders are born and we need some to galvanize this team. GBO

 

[BruinVol]

And separately… a lot of players on the other side of the field were better than him yesterday. I guess you meant he was our best player. Surely to God, you’re not saying he was better than Brady Cook

Apparently you didn’t read the post …


It said best player in orange ….

Of course that little Rudy with 1000
Damn yards was the best player on the field

 

[Cartervol]

I think the running game could be a little more creative.. It's very simplistic in nature. That's fine if you can make it work. We see though sometimes when you need a few tough yards we can't get them. There is a time where you just line up and try to push people out of the way. We can't do that when it matters it seems. A really good heady QB helps this situation tremedously..