Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

[golfballs]

Hey, we care about collateral damage again. Cool.

Trump pledged to stop 'endless wars' but his airstrikes in Afghanistan increased civilian deaths by 330% since 2016

the AAF is harming more Afghan civilians than at any time in its history.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I noticed that one of the usual trolls hasn’t been on this thread for a while. He was quick to jump to Joe’s defense early on. His absence must mean Joe really crapped the bed this time.

The ones that are active are in the other threads trying to deflect from this absolute disaster. There is really no defense to be made for this fiasco, none of them even bothered to drop Nans stupid ass talking points even.

 

[n_huffhines]

I have no problem with that. The legal and 30 plus million ILLEGAL immigrants that for the most part ARE hardworkers are outbreeding Americans by a wide margin. There is no shortage of Hispanics nor any other foreigners in this country. There are people of all kinds in every city and state.

Whens the last time anyone here took a look around and said " we REALLY NEED MORE PEOPLE AROUND HERE!"

Is it when you sit in traffic for 30 mins to get home for work?

Maybe when you wait for hours at the DMV to renew your license?

When you have to wait in line behind multiple people in nice clothes and $100 shoes with full buggies they pay for with their EBT card from my taxes?

Maybe when you call your Dr. Office and the soonest you can get in is 3 weeks out?

I kNOW!!! Its when your mom is on the waiting list for an organ and they say 1 to 2 years out but you know she will never make it that long before dying....that must be it.

When is it?

When you go to National Parks like Yellowstone or good ole GSmokeyMNP ...and theres trash , condoms, beer cans etc thrown all over the ground at every parking lot, bathroom, hiking trail, etc....so that the only way you stand a chance at seeing nature unspoiled is to hike several miles off the beaten path east coast, or go to places like Montana, Utah, Dakotas etc and AVOID anywhere publicly listed...drive 10s of miles PAST then end of any paved roads, and hope you can find a primitive campsite or make your own on federal land. Overpopulation and trashy, destructive and littering tourists have destroyed anything that people can actually get to in a few hours. So youre gonna have to think REALLY hard and drive 100s or 1000s of miles to find anywhere amazing that isn't already trashed. Once folks find out about your favorite beach/lakeshore/place to hike, fish, camp or just relax....its trashed. Commercialized, over used, disrespected and eventually destroyed.

Is that what makes yall think " we need WAY more people around here." ???

Lets double legal immigrants. Hell, triple.

Lets give amnesty to the 3o million plus illegals here. THAT will stop em from sneaking in. Unchecked immigrants. Open borders. Globalization.

Yep...seems great so far. Need more folks arpund here like China and India...arses and elbows. Great idea. Smdh...

Thank you for explaining why you don't support legal immigration. The point is that people on the right don't really support legal immigration.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Thank you for explaining why you don't support legal immigration. The point is that people on the right don't really support legal immigration.

Lol. You close to crying yourself out over this narrative yet?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Prove it.

All that money and weaponry was funneled through the ISI and Pakistan. Yeah, bin Laden and future Taliban leaders might have been recipients of said aid after going through several middle men, but to say it was directly "dotted" from the USG is not being truthful.

Learn your history.

 

[Wireless1]

Thank you for explaining why you don't support legal immigration. The point is that people on the right don't really support legal immigration.

Not true, maybe the right doesn't support Unlimited/unrestricted legal immigration, but the right does support immigration

 

[n_huffhines]

Not true, maybe the right doesn't support Unlimited/unrestricted legal immigration, but the right does support immigration

Their actions show little-to-no support of legal immigration.

Did you see earlier that I posted a Pew poll that showed over the last 21 years, no matter what level of immigration we had, what was going on with the world, and with our economy, year-by-year no more than 14% of Republicans supported expanding legal immigration. That's a dead giveaway about where they really stand.

There are a plethora of ways in which they have attempted to stonewall and restrict legal immigration.

 

[Wireless1]

Their actions show little-to-no support of legal immigration.

Did you see earlier that I posted a Pew poll that showed over the last 21 years, no matter what level of immigration we had, what was going on with the world, and with our economy, year-by-year no more than 14% of Republicans supported expanding legal immigration. That's a dead giveaway about where they really stand.

There are a plethora of ways in which they have attempted to stonewall and restrict legal immigration.

Did you read mine? I even bolded the Unlimited/Unrestricted part. And the stonewall goes both ways. If the Dems agreed to a "standard" that must be met by all applicants before approval such as good health status, job worthiness, lack of criminal past or association, and sponsorship there'd probably be all kinds of support.

 

[Orangeburst]

Did you read mine? I even bolded the Unlimited/Unrestricted part. And the stonewall goes both ways. If the Dems agreed to a "standard" that must be met by all applicants before approval such as good health status, job worthiness, lack of criminal past or association, and sponsorship there'd probably be all kinds of support.

Much easier to just call them racist

 

[VolFaninFla]

That’s awesome . I need to read that.

I’m sure you will enjoy it.
FYI-The Gate House is the sequel to The Gold Coast.
Let me know what you think after reading it.

 

[n_huffhines]

Did you read mine? I even bolded the Unlimited/Unrestricted part. And the stonewall goes both ways. If the Dems agreed to a "standard" that must be met by all applicants before approval such as good health status, job worthiness, lack of criminal past or association, and sponsorship there'd probably be all kinds of support.

I read that part but we're talking about whether or not they are supportive of legal immigration. Not whether or not they are supportive of unlimited immigration. Basically nobody is in support of unlimited and it's not really a topic that's debated, despite right wing fearmongering about the left. Same poll, a majority of dems didn't support expanding legal immigration in any of the last 21 years, forget about unlimited immigration.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Their actions show little-to-no support of legal immigration.

Did you see earlier that I posted a Pew poll that showed over the last 21 years, no matter what level of immigration we had, what was going on with the world, and with our economy, year-by-year no more than 14% of Republicans supported expanding legal immigration. That's a dead giveaway about where they really stand.

There are a plethora of ways in which they have attempted to stonewall and restrict legal immigration.

Why do we need to expand immigration? Wouldn't it be more productive to increase the native population?

 

[Grand Vol]

Okay, you proved my point.

And?

 

[Wireless1]

I read that part but we're talking about whether or not they are supportive of legal immigration. Not whether or not they are supportive of unlimited immigration. Basically nobody is in support of unlimited and it's not really a topic that's debated, despite right wing fearmongering about the left. Same poll, a majority of dems didn't support expanding legal immigration in any of the last 21 years, forget about unlimited immigration.

We have to face it there are two worlds of immigration right now, the well documented engineer from India with a job offer in hand flying in (one example at one extreme) and the guardian less 12 year old MS-13 member walking across the southern border (one example from the other extreme) Some where in between there has to be a line of acceptable versus not acceptable and there are politicians that will never agree or more importantly work to agree on that point.

 

[Volaholic320]

Why do we need to expand immigration? Wouldn't it be more productive to increase the native population?

No, some of them may not vote lock step for dems. Much easier to control an illegal alien who has no problems working 14hrs a day for 9-11 bucks an hour.

 

[n_huffhines]

Why do we need to expand immigration? Wouldn't it be more productive to increase the native population?

I can't see how that could possibly be more productive, and seems like a difficult thing to pull off. How do you make people have more kids when society is trending towards fewer? Japan would love to know.

• I believe expanding immigration is good for our economy. The shortage of labor right now is crazy, and this isn't just because of the pandemic + unemployment benefits, this was a problem under Trump. His own administration was showing we were 1m workers short, pre-pandemic.
• I believe it's our moral obligation to expand immigration, particularly to refugees, particularly from countries that have been hurt by our policies and actions.
• As a matter of principle, I support the free movement of labor because the free market creates the best results on the net.

The last point is why I believe immigration is a better solution than trying to make people have more babies, especially since we need labor right now. We can match the workers' skills to the jobs instead of hoping that people will be having more babies who will fill in those needed jobs (18-26 years down the road). Legal immigrants have shown to compare favorably to natives within their socioeconomic group. They have a great track record in this country.

 

[InVOLuntary]

 

[KB5252]

Thank you for explaining why you don't support legal immigration. The point is that people on the right don't really support legal immigration.

I think most/many do. I don't support either party but I lean right so I'm probably but the best person to speak for them but here go my thoughts.

I think there are two factors at play for most people who lean right or are in the middle.

1) not so much that there is legal immigration but the rate at which we allow people in. With all of America's ills why are we importing low skilled workers when we have millions of unskilled people who can contribute. We need some but perhaps we import way too much, of course this can be debated.

2) until we can get a handle on illegal immigration we probably should lower the threshold on those allowed in legally and divert the other resources to fight illegal immigration. Again this is debatable.

I think the real discussion you are framing around the right is really about the rate of threshold at which they support immigration. As in any idea with most people/groups there is a line or threshold.

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[NEO]

UK MP just called Biden’s handling and statement regarding Afghan “shameful” and the majority of parliament is now saying they cannot trust us to lead on global issues.

We have damaged our NATO relationship so much.

French troops are also currently on the ground trying to get their citizens out.

This is so bad and just wait till they be head the first US citizen and NATO citizen who got trapped there.

You think it’s bad now? First be heading and this is going next level.

 

[KB5252]

I could see some firings or forced resignations on the way to attempt to get ahead of the worsening fallout.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I can't see how that could possibly be more productive, and seems like a difficult thing to pull off. How do you make people have more kids when society is trending towards fewer? Japan would love to know.

How else would you do it? You incentivize it. Throw money at it.

 

[n_huffhines]

How else would you do it? You incentivize it. Throw money at it.

So you think throwing money at the problem to hopefully solve it decades down the road would be more productive than filling needs now with refugee and other legal immigrant labor?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So you think throwing money at the problem to hopefully solve it decades down the road would be more productive than filling needs now with refugee and other legal immigrant labor?

Hopefully. It is far better than the alternative of throwing the same amount of money to foreigners and allowing them to multiply.

Look, I'm not saying I like it or that it is a good idea. But if given the choice of incentivizing foreigners or incentivizing Americans, why not help Americans?

 

[NEO]

Pentagon throwing Biden under the bus now.

They just leaked the contingency memo they gave Biden to get US citizens out before he pulled the troops where they warned the Taliban would quickly seize the country.

He scrapped it.

The leaks area starting to preserve careers.

He is toast.