Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

Do you care?

  • No

    Votes: 41 23.6%

  • Hell No

    Votes: 48 27.6%

  • Yes, we should invade and send in Troops

    Votes: 25 14.4%

  • I like Pie

    Votes: 60 34.5%
  • Total voters
    174
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Grand Vol said:
It's a Bruce Willis action flick that deals with SEALs going in and rescuing Americans in Nigeria during a hostile takeover of the government. Kinda the same thing we're seeing now. More or less an 80s style action flick that's long on action, short on plot. But a decent flick.

Anyway, here's my thing with the missionaries, teachers and whatnot. I'm with you that we cut them loose if they want to stay and yes, I agree they should have seen this coming. However, I think we also have a moral obligation as a country to at least offer them a way out since there's probably not any kind of civilian flights coming in or out. If they turn it down, it's on them.

Maybe they didn't think it was going to happen this quick either? Maybe they listened to the incompetent fool who's the POTUS say the country was in good hands and decided it was safe enough to stay? I don't know, but we should get them out if possible though I think $2,000 is a bit steep for a cargo net seat on a C-130...
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That’s all. The offer should be there. If they decline then ok
 
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Septic said:
Trump legitimized the Taliban, gave them 14 months to draw up and plan and capitulated to letting 5,000 of their fighters out of prison.

He's also recently bragged about getting this started to the point where Joe couldn't stop it.

Sorry if I disagree that Donny wouldn't have sh*t the bed here too.
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They seem pretty damn legitimate right now considering they control the country. And as I stated before, there's a good chance enough goodwill was bought through those negotiations that you aren't seeing Americans being beheaded on the streets as the Taliban comes across them. Let's face it, they have the ability if they wanted.

Regardless, you can "what if" all day long, but the point still stands. Biden is the POTUS and the responsibility for this massive **** up is on him.
 
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Septic said:
The .gov states they are in daily talks to allow for the safe passage of these people and that anyone who gets to the airport gets a ride home.

Not sure what else would be expected from the .gov on this front.
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The same .gov that said the Taliban wouldn't take over the country in less than six weeks?

If you trust that redheaded clown giving daily briefings (except today, suspiciously enough) that's on you.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The same .gov that said the Taliban wouldn't take over the country in less than six weeks?

If you trust that redheaded clown giving daily briefings (except today, suspiciously enough) that's on you.
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So are you on the side that Biden got bad intel or ignored good intel?

Based on this it sounds like the former.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Oh, and now that they have a bunch of our good stuff, we are going to send troops back in???

Should turn out well.
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I doubt many of them know how to even spool up an M-1 much less be given the keys to one. We gave them a bunch of ragged out C-27’s, some turbo prop ground attack aircraft, black hawks, and humvees and what not but no Apaches or Abrams or stuff like that. They might have some M-60s don’t know.

If we really did give them top line equipment we are idiots.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I doubt many of them know how to even spool up an M-1 much less be given the keys to one. We game them a bunch of ragged out C-27’s, some turbo prop ground attack aircraft, black hawks, and humvees and what not but no Apaches or Abrams or stuff like that. They might have some M-60s don’t know.
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The videos of them trying to fly the helos is going to be funny
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I doubt many of them know how to even spool up an M-1 much less be given the keys to one. We gave them a bunch of ragged out C-27’s, some turbo prop ground attack aircraft, black hawks, and humvees and what not but no Apaches or Abrams or stuff like that. They might have some M-60s don’t know.

If we really did give them top line equipment we are idiots.
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Was probably a better ROI to leave that crap there than to bring it back and get it serviceable again.

Shoulda put some remote c4 on that sh*t though and waited until 9/11 to click the button.
 
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rjd970 said:
Worse than 19 American soldiers dead and a public defeat from Blackhawk Down? What about Bay of Pigs? Pearl Harbor?

And after 20 years and hundreds and thousand of Billions of dollars you are now calling it a blunder? Where we not supposed to leave the ANA anything to fight with?

And why doesn’t the DOD know the number? Maybe because the majority that are still left were there on missionary, humanitarian, aid relief, and personal reasons? Even two weeks ago they could have just caught a flight but didn’t. Maybe you should look at the DOS for those numbers. There is some personal responsibility there, no?

This sucks, it was a screwup and it LOOKS bad. Sure. But it’s legit bad, because some afghans can’t get out (that couldn’t have gotten out anyway, at least not to the U.S.)? That the Taliban outmatched an ANA force trained under three previous presidents?

Yes - Biden screwed this up. Not sure anybody disagrees. But it’s Bad, based on the above, and it MIGHT play out different?

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Good points. This isn't my area of expertise, I just know a ****-storm when I see it.

I guarantee that there have already been more than 19 people unnecessarily killed, not at all to disparage our loss of life with Black Hawk Down. That's not really a reasonable comparison, though.

Bay of Pigs was a disaster, but it didn't involve that many Americans (that we know of).

I'll bow out of this discussion. You are probably in the right, here. I've had a crazy week, and it may be worse tomorrow!
 
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And one more thing @Septic

You and I both know (if you'll admit it) there was a massive psychological operation after 9-11 to delegitimize the Taliban as a political party with an armed wing and turn them into a terrorist group. Sure, they harbored terrorists in Afghanistan and let them do what they wanted. But by and large, the Taliban focused entirely inside of the Afghan borders and were not the terrorists they were portrayed to be by Bush, Obama and company.

I think Trump did the right thing in negotiating with them as a political party rather than following what the two previous Presidents had done in treating them as terrorists because they opposed the sitting government we installed in Kabul. They are a political party that's reprehensible in their actions and 8th century in their thinking. But even as distasteful as they are, sometimes you have to deal with the devil...
 
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Septic said:
So are you on the side that Biden got bad intel or ignored good intel?

Based on this it sounds like the former.
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Biden needed a foreign policy "win" since his domestic policies are failing miserably. There's a very good chance he ignored good intel because he got desperate to be the guy that got us out of Afghanistan.
 
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Grand Vol said:
And one more thing @Septic

You and I both know (if you'll admit it) there was a massive psychological operation after 9-11 to delegitimize the Taliban as a political party with an armed wing and turn them into a terrorist group. Sure, they harbored terrorists in Afghanistan and let them do what they wanted. But by and large, the Taliban focused entirely inside of the Afghan borders and were not the terrorists they were portrayed to be by Bush, Obama and company.

I think Trump did the right thing in negotiating with them as a political party rather than following what the two previous Presidents had done in treating them as terrorists because they opposed the sitting government we installed in Kabul. They are a political party that's reprehensible in their actions and 8th century in their thinking. But even as distasteful as they are, sometimes you have to deal with the devil...
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I don't recall a minute where I saw a push by anyone to say that the Taliban weren't complete sh*theads.

Trump negotiated with terrorists. Full stop.

He gave them a date and time and didn't even invite the Afghani government to the table. Biden may have botched the withdrawal but no amount of revisionist history will change that trump laid the groundwork for the Taliban's takeover.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Can't be that hard to put in a "self-destruct" feature in the year 2021.
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This is a Millennial and Gen Z self destruct device:

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You know the vehicle isn't operational if they have that thing.
 
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Grand Vol said:
This is a Millennial and Gen Z self destruct device:

driving-manual.jpg


You know the vehicle isn't operational if they have that thing.
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I have a pristine 97 Jeep TJ on a 4" lift sitting in my garage. An absolute panty dropper but it only gets about 50 miles a year despite having two 17 year old boys in the house with access to the keys.

The stick shift is kryptonite.
 
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