Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

[volinbham]

We announced to the f#cking world we were gonna be gone before August 31. You're a moron if you waited until August to leave.

she was asking for it - look at how she dresses...

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Why put words in my mouth?

Personally, I have a kill em all and go home mentality. I don’t believe in occupation at all on any level as that is not militaries job. You complete the mission and kill the leaders and leave.

I am not a fan of hardly any handling of foreign affairs in my lifetime including Reagan, Bush and Trump.

But this is whole other level screw up.

There are screw ups that are included in books and then there are scree ups that books are written about.

This will have multiple books written about it.

Way to deflect.

 

[rjd970]

Sure but the Trump would have screwed it up just as bad or worse narrative is the epitome of what you are complaining about. No one knows. It's 100% "if's" and "who knows".

I’m not saying Trump would have for sure. I’m saying given how it played out it’s more likely than not. I still point to the May date he said, and that is fact. There were more people/workers there in May than in August.

 

[volinbham]

I’m not saying Trump would have. I’m saying given how it played out it’s more likely than not. I still point to the May date he said, and that is fact. There were more people/workers there in May than in August.

Still ifs and who knows.

So here's an if - if Trump had won the election do you think the "more people/workers there" would have still been the case in May? Isn't it more likely they would start to be pulled in February, March, April and by the time May rolls around it's the same or less than Biden encountered? Those more people/workers were there in May because Joe changed the leave date.

This is the problem with the Trump would have screwed it up just as bad - it was different conditions, different negotiations, different decision metrics and different people making the decisions. Might as well say no one could have done it any better than Joe did which I know you aren't saying.

 

[rjd970]

Still ifs and who knows.

So here's an if - if Trump had won the election do you think the "more people/workers there" would have still been the case in May? Isn't it more likely they would start to be pulled in February, March, April and by the time May rolls around it's the same or less than Biden encountered? Those more people/workers were there in May because Joe changed the leave date.

This is the problem with the Trump would have screwed it up just as bad - it was different conditions, different negotiations, different decision metrics and different people making the decisions. Might as well say no one could have done it any better than Joe did which I know you aren't saying.

It is what it is. Biden pulled the trigger and did what no other President over the last 20 years was willing to do. He screwed it up. Given how fast the country fell, staying another 6 months or year or 5 years wouldn’t have mattered. Perhaps Trump just wouldn’t have left and kept kicking that can.

All we know is Biden actually did it. And he screwed it up. Everybody is piling on and in some cases rightly so. In retrospect, he probably got intel that painted two different pictures of what would happen and made a judgement call. It was the wrong call and he is the guy in charge so he owns it.

 

[AM64]

I honestly believe it's somewhere in the middle. I think the intelligence wasn't very good/realistic and Biden chose a high risk high reward option that completely melted down once the dominos began falling.

My biggest concern was that once it became clear he nor anyone in his administration got in front of it and communicated the situation effectively. It's been a pretty clear example of poor leadership. If this was the private sector this CEO would be relieved of duties.

Don't bet against a lot of misinformation from contractors in Afghanistan - about how all their hard work is paying dividends, so keep the money flowing so we can work miracles. Real leaders from the past must be rolling in their graves when they see the country privatizing military functions. Congress does funding and bankrolls defense contractors, defense contractors fund congress critters, one hand washes the other; and I'd bet contractors put out as much info as the intelligence agencies ... except the intelligence agencies don't hand out what makes people in political positions multi-millionaires.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Time will tell.

We've got thousands of American citizens trapped in a tough ass spot, and the DOD doesn't seem to even know the number. If the Taliban find them before we do, what will they do? Given the numbers, it's almost a certainly that happens to at least some.

We allowed the release of c. 5,000 Al Qaeda and ISIS prisoners. We'll never know the exact outcome of this misstep. Next time something goes "BOOM," remember this.

We have surrendered billions of dollars of vehicles, weaponry, helicopters, guns, and ammunition to a terrorist force.

The Afghan nationals are so desperate to get out, knowing what fate awaits them, they are willing to toss their babies over fences and cling to jets as they take off.

Yeah, it's bad.

Yall can think i am a monster if you want..i mean this with every molecule of my being:

ANY member of those 5000 who knew of 9.11 as a member or joined after should have been unceremoniously shot in the back of the head in their cells and or standing next to a new ditch soon to be covered up.

1 shot or 2 right behind the ears and a dozer to cover them up when finished. You dont leave those guys alive to be released by their moozlimb buddies before the last US Humvee was a mile up the road. Never.

Innocent citizens in france, UK, US and elsewhere will be raped, run over, maimed and killed by bombs, stabbed and shot because Joe and Hoe left them behind. Those people have not changed in a cell. Their hate didnt go away.

It festered. It grew.

Let em rot.

 

[BreatheUT]

In my honest opinion the media and the public should hold the POTUS accountable but this seems beyond citicism. Biden is getting hammered.

I wonder if it's because he had gotten dealt with, with kid gloves and this is what happens when you've had it easy from the press and fail bigly.

I'm not sure I like our adversaries seeing this but this administration should understand such juvenile mistakes can't be made and they need to focus on the right problems.

 

[AM64]

And reputation at least with "this" administration.

Not really, dems are a "snap and forget" kind of people. They never let past blunders intrude when their hopes and dreams are impaled on the unicorn.

 

[AM64]

Taliban aren't terrorists, just ask @Grand Vol. Spare me the sudden concern for the Muslims, pretty sure you don't want them coming here.

Would you be happy if GV said the Taliban haven't proven to be international terrorists - that they are more domestic terrorists with a bit more dedication (no government handouts to keep them otherwise occupied and happy) and with better access to scary weapons than BLM. However, with our southern border being what it is, they may be coming to a theater near you in the near future.

 

[Orangeburst]

EXCLUSIVE: Son of exiled Afghan president Ashraf Ghani REFUSES to comment on unfolding crisis - as it's revealed he's an economics professor living a quiet life in a $1.2 Million Washington, DC townhouse with his Democrat Powerhouse Wife

• Tarek and his wife Elizabeth Pearson make quite the power couple. She is Senator Elizabeth Warren's legislative director

His Afghan government leader father reportedly fled Kabul in a helicopter stuffed with $169million in cash and four cars - but Tarek Ghani leads an altogether different existence as an economics professor residing in one of America's most genteel neighborhoods, DailyMail.com can reveal.

Life for the 39-year-old son of exiled Ashraf Ghani could not be more different to the horror unfolding on the streets of the Afghan capital where the Taliban are beginning to exert their rule of terror and killing.

He and wife Elizabeth Pearson own an immaculate $1.2million red-painted town house just a mile from the Capitol building in a charming Washington DC enclave, its patchwork of streets lined with trees and other similar upscale properties.

Son of exiled Afghan president Ashraf Ghani REFUSES to comment on unfolding crisis | Daily Mail Online

This is crooked as ****. Our USG..cough cough Dem party, gives money to a foreign gov which is then funneled for family members to live in a $1.2 home? A frekin econ professor.

 

[Orangeburst]

Yall can think i am a monster if you want..i mean this with every molecule of my being:

ANY member of those 5000 who knew of 9.11 as a member or joined after should have been unceremoniously shot in the back of the head in their cells and or standing next to a new ditch soon to be covered up.

1 shot or 2 right behind the ears and a dozer to cover them up when finished. You dont leave those guys alive to be released by their moozlimb buddies before the last US Humvee was a mile up the road. Never.

Innocent citizens in france, UK, US and elsewhere will be raped, run over, maimed and killed by bombs, stabbed and shot because Joe and Hoe left them behind. Those people have not changed in a cell. Their hate didnt go away.

It festered. It grew.

Let em rot.

Look at the bright side..Once we are out we can Tomahawk their governance buildings.

 

[NEO]

Way to deflect.

You always lie this much? Where is my deflection?

I just said it was stupid. It’s not this level stupid though.

Sorry u view that as a deflection.

I know ur side is clinging to anything to get this stink off Biden.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Gee .... I just don't know? I have no clue. LOL ... What do you guys think it is?

Pentagon Confirms Biden's Either Lying to the American People or Incompetent

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Point made on radio today is that if a different POTUS now the uniforms would have switched. Fox and GOP would have been saying at least Trump had the courage to follow through and get us out of Afghanistan, with MSNBC criticizing Trump for bungling it so badly.

No doubt true.

I doubt that very seriously. Hell, you have a few that are mad at Bush for going there in the first place.

 

[Orangeburst]

I doubt that very seriously. Hell, you have a few that are mad at Bush for going there in the first place.

More ifs from the master

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

WTF... now the State Dept is talking about Putin and Russia sanctions. Diversion from the cluster f they have going??? Stay focused man.

This is evidence that this is nothing more than the extension of the Great Game. British Empire vs Russia 150 years ago and the British puppet state (USA) vs Russia today.

 

[Grand Vol]

Gee .... I just don't know? I have no clue. LOL ... What do you guys think it is?

Pentagon Confirms Biden's Either Lying to the American People or Incompetent

About time the media started doing their jobs.

 

[allvol123]

Gee .... I just don't know? I have no clue. LOL ... What do you guys think it is?

Pentagon Confirms Biden's Either Lying to the American People or Incompetent

Or both.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

EXCLUSIVE: Son of exiled Afghan president Ashraf Ghani REFUSES to comment on unfolding crisis - as it's revealed he's an economics professor living a quiet life in a $1.2 Million Washington, DC townhouse with his Democrat Powerhouse Wife

• Tarek and his wife Elizabeth Pearson make quite the power couple. She is Senator Elizabeth Warren's legislative director

His Afghan government leader father reportedly fled Kabul in a helicopter stuffed with $169million in cash and four cars - but Tarek Ghani leads an altogether different existence as an economics professor residing in one of America's most genteel neighborhoods, DailyMail.com can reveal.

Life for the 39-year-old son of exiled Ashraf Ghani could not be more different to the horror unfolding on the streets of the Afghan capital where the Taliban are beginning to exert their rule of terror and killing.

He and wife Elizabeth Pearson own an immaculate $1.2million red-painted town house just a mile from the Capitol building in a charming Washington DC enclave, its patchwork of streets lined with trees and other similar upscale properties.

Son of exiled Afghan president Ashraf Ghani REFUSES to comment on unfolding crisis | Daily Mail Online

I am willing to bet that there is an Afghani working at one of these defense contractors soaking up $1 million+ thanks to some Republican...

 

[AM64]

It should be impeachable but WTF knows now.

Impeachment would be good strategy. Not a chance in hell joe is found guilty, but it sure would cut into time for dems schemes like infrastructure and their other necessary objectives. Seems like several hundred million have just gotten student debt wiped away. Apparently executive orders (rule by fiat) is moving out to agencies.

Biden administration grants automatic student loan forgiveness to 323,000 permanently disabled borrowers

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Or both.

Yes, I concur. Why not both?

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[AM64]

Did you read the exchange I was referring to? I was talking about the $250M worth of helicopters left with "Top Secret" software still on them nonsense.

NOT the overall handling of this.

Stop. Read. Then respond.

Maybe you'll get lucky enough to see pictures of the captured state dept CH-46 helicopters you referenced over the Taliban embassy evacuating their people some day. Now what about the military helicopters left behind?

 

[85SugarVol]

First, I don't consider this a military blunder. This is a political blunder but to answer your question in no particular order.

Operation Eagle Claw was an unforgivable military blunder. This one is completely on the military brass.
Our drive to the Yalu river during the Korean war, should have stopped in Pyongyang at least until the supply chains caught up.
Eisenhower approving Operation Market Garden.
Battle of Mogadishu (this is both a military and political blunder)

Did you see where 60 awards for valor in Mogadishu were just upgraded to Silver Star? Seems a little late.