Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

Do you care?

  • No

    Votes: 41 23.6%

  • Hell No

    Votes: 48 27.6%

  • Yes, we should invade and send in Troops

    Votes: 25 14.4%

  • I like Pie

    Votes: 60 34.5%
  • Total voters
    174
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#3,477
StarRaider said:
Battle of Hürtgen Forest
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That tied up a lot of Germans so I don't consider it a blunder but I can see the argument why some think so.

The airborne part of the invasion of Sicily was a terrible blunder, got a lot of paratroopers killed before they ever got out of their planes.
 
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hog88 said:
First, I don't consider this a military blunder. This is a political blunder but to answer your question in no particular order.

Operation Eagle Claw was an unforgivable military blunder. This one is completely on the military brass.
Our drive to the Yalu river during the Korean war, should have stopped in Pyongyang at least until the supply chains caught up.
Eisenhower approving Operation Market Garden.
Battle of Mogadishu (this is both a military and political blunder)
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I will agree this is a political blunder.

Eagle Claw was a huge blunder but I just placed that more under Bay of Pig covert actions. But that was a huge F up.
 
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rjd970 said:
Why in the actual F is a teacher still there? This has been in the works for literally months.
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all I could point to is that guidance from State was that there was no rush and that the mass evacuation was yet to come (per comments from administration that they didn't want to do a large evacuation first since it would signal lack of faith in the Afghan govt/military.
 
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red butler said:
I was comfortable with the advisor/air support role the military was performing, as it was very low risk and the only way to keep the Taliban from taking the country back. I would have also been fine with cutting our losses and handing the country back over to the Taliban if there had been an orderly withdrawal. But this isn't orderly, it's a cluster. Leaving Bagram in the middle of the night without transitioning it over to the Afghans was colossally stupid. Allowing the Taliban to take Tarin Kot, Kandahar, and Mazar-i-sharif without giving the Afghans air support was stupid. Leaving 10,000 civilians in the country was stupid. Having to beg the Taliban to allow us to safely evacuate is a major embarrassment.

Of course this will hurt with creating allies in future endeavors. But I'm of the opinion that there shouldn't be future endeavors like the one's we've been involved in the last 20 years. My biggest concern regarding foreign policy is that our adversaries will be emboldened (i.e. China/Taiwan) that could pull us into the future endeavors I would prefer to avoid.
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There is some chatter that the Chinese and Russians may have played a role in preventing US air support.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Do you have any other card to play? Any one at all? Biden is POTUS he owns this withdrawal 100% it’s HIS plan.
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You do not understand the point.

Forget the merit of the criticism. The point is that the usual players would be taking the position opposite to the one they are taking if the tables were turned.
 
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#3,485
VolStrom said:
Do you have any idea how Trump would have pulled out of Afghanistan versus how Biden did?
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Would have been identical because he would be getting the same bad info that Biden did. In fact, it was that same bad info that caused Pompeo and Trump to make the deal they made.
 
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#3,486
volinbham said:
Today Joe said Al Quaeda was gone (I assume from Afghanistan). In the military press conference they confirmed Al Quaeda was indeed in Afghanistan.
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Watching the news conference now…

They are getting crucified by all media outlets.

Biden just keeps making this worse with hid out right lies.
 
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rjd970 said:
Why in the actual F is a teacher still there? This has been in the works for literally months.
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Biden said the other day that he agreed to not remove civilians because the Afgan president thought it would cause panic. Does anyone know if non DOD affiliated civilians were notified?
 
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volinbham said:
all I could point to is that guidance from State was that there was no rush and that the mass evacuation was yet to come (per comments from administration that they didn't want to do a large evacuation first since it would signal lack of faith in the Afghan govt/military.
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The country has been falling province by province for the last month. Two weeks ago even they could have hopped on a plane out of there.

I get these are Americans but at some point stupid is stupid and some self-responsibility should be practiced.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Would have been identical because he would be getting the same bad info that Biden did. In fact, it was that same bad info that caused Pompeo and Trump to make the deal they made.
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I'm not a military mind, but wouldn't you think it would have made sense to pull out the civilians and Afghan helpers before any military left?
 
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hog88 said:
Biden said the other day that he agreed to not remove civilians because the Afgan president thought it would cause panic. Does anyone know if non DOD affiliated civilians were notified?
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There was nothing stopping non-DoD civilians from leaving whenever they wanted up to a couple weeks ago.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You do not understand the point.

Forget the merit of the criticism. The point is that the usual players would be taking the position opposite to the one they are taking if the tables were turned.
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BS.

If Trump pulled the troops out before the us citizens got out I would be just as pissed and done with him.

This crap handling at its highest level.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Forget the merit of the criticism. The point is that the usual players would be taking the position opposite to the one they are taking if the tables were turned.
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The sudden absence of posts by some users here on "endless wars" is noted.
 
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#3,497
rjd970 said:
There was nothing stopping non-DoD civilians from leaving whenever they wanted up to a couple weeks ago.
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yet if they look to the embassy and State on what to do and they are told there's no rush that clearly factors into the assessment of how stupid they are
 
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NEO said:
BS.

If Trump pulled the troops out before the us citizens got out I would be just as pissed and done with him.

This crap handling at its highest level.
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But you aren't mad at him for handing over 5000 taliban fighters including one of the current leaders all to secure an Afghan Peace Accord that didn't F#cking include Afghanistan?
 
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volinbham said:
yet if they look to the embassy and State on what to do and they are told there's no rush that clearly factors into the assessment of how stupid they are
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Anybody with even half common sense living in a third world country where extremists are taking over the country in record time should know to leave.

Was the Embassy saying flat out not to leave?
 
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