Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

Do you care?

  • No

    Votes: 41 23.6%

  • Hell No

    Votes: 48 27.6%

  • Yes, we should invade and send in Troops

    Votes: 25 14.4%

  • I like Pie

    Votes: 60 34.5%
  • Total voters
    174
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85SugarVol said:
So we are operating under the assumption that there are roughly 1,000 Americans in Afghanistan that have no interest in leaving the country?

Ok.
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It's probably a safe assumption that almost all of that 1000 that are still there are only there in the first place because they wanted to be. Anybody supporting U.S. forces, be it contractors or civvies, are tracked with LOAs and CACs. When I was there we had to send a daily...DAILY...reporting of our numbers.
 
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rjd970 said:
I still say that any American there at this juncture, and apparently stuck, was not there in an official capacity. At some point, personal responsibility has to be a part of the discussion.

24 kids from California. And they are STILL there after what has been happening for the last 8 weeks?
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I agree to some extent but that falls into the after action review

maybe they had longstanding plans to get out on 8/15 but the place went to shizz a few days before that and moving 24 kids from where ever they are in country to the airport hasn't been feasible?
 
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rjd970 said:
It's probably a safe assumption that almost all of that 1000 that are still there are only there in the first place because they wanted to be. Anybody supporting U.S. forces, be it contractors or civvies, are tracked with LOAs and CACs. When I was there we had to send a daily...DAILY...reporting of our numbers.
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If this was the case, why didn't the .gov know how many citizens were in Afghanistan? They are flat out lying about this stuff because they don't want the public to know how many people they leave behind to die.
 
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85SugarVol said:
So we are operating under the assumption that there are roughly 1,000 Americans in Afghanistan that have no interest in leaving the country?

Ok.
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it would be less than that of the 1000 not all are looking to get out but even 1/2 of those would qualify as "significantly lower", hell even 75% would so it could be as high as 750 of that 1000 + the 500 they counted from the other group.
 
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volinbham said:
I agree to some extent but that falls into the after action review

maybe they had longstanding plans to get out on 8/15 but the place went to shizz a few days before that and moving 24 kids from where ever they are in country to the airport hasn't been feasible?
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Maybe. The fact that they are there in the first place is a little wild though.
 
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VolStrom said:
If this was the case, why didn't the .gov know how many citizens were in Afghanistan? They are flat out lying about this stuff because they don't want the public to know how many people they leave behind to die.
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They should know how many are in there, I agree. Passports have to be stamped.

I'm saying that anybody in an official capacity is tracked by several systems, including a daily Personnel Status report of where they are. I can't see any American that they "don't know about" or whatever be a part of this group. These are tourists, aide workers, and evidently, school children. People that are there by their own accord.
 
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#4,764
volinbham said:
no argument

I assume they were there before the State put a do not travel to Afghanistan advisory out.
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Sure, maybe. But Afghanistan has always been a high terror level, third world country. DoS has never recommended travel there, to my knowledge.

Again - for the aide workers and what not, it is admirable what they are doing. But they also should have understood the risks. We should do everything we can to get them out, but they own some personal culpability for being there in the first place.
 
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rjd970 said:
Sure, maybe. But Afghanistan has always been a high terror level, third world country. DoS has never recommended travel there, to my knowledge.

Again - for the aide workers and what not, it is admirable what they are doing. But they also should have understood the risks. We should do everything we can to get them out, but they own some personal culpability for being there in the first place.
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agreed - just saying that the risk assessment tools changed dramatically in a very short period of time
 
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rjd970 said:
It's probably a safe assumption that almost all of that 1000 that are still there are only there in the first place because they wanted to be. Anybody supporting U.S. forces, be it contractors or civvies, are tracked with LOAs and CACs. When I was there we had to send a daily...DAILY...reporting of our numbers.
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I would agree that initially they wanted to be there.

Do we think they now wish to STAY?
 
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rjd970 said:
Sure, maybe. But Afghanistan has always been a high terror level, third world country. DoS has never recommended travel there, to my knowledge.

Again - for the aide workers and what not, it is admirable what they are doing. But they also should have understood the risks. We should do everything we can to get them out, but they own some personal culpability for being there in the first place.
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It's unbelievable to me that some of you are apparently blaming Americans that are stuck behind enemy lines because our dipshit President and his equally ignorant generals pulled U.S. troops out of Afghanistan before evacuating American government workers, any other American civilians, and Afghanis that worked with American armed forces.
 
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Afghan Refugees Arrive at Dulles Airport following Kabul evacuation

Dozens of Afghan refugees have arrived at Dulles International Airport just outside Washington, D.C., more than a week after the Taliban swept through the country and established themselves as the new power in Kabul ahead of a U.S. troop withdrawal.

The United States has evacuated more than 80,000 people on military and coalition flights from Kabul's Hamid Karzai International Airport since Aug. 14, one day before the Taliban took the capital of Afghanistan and overran the former government. Approximately 4,000 U.S. citizens have been evacuated , while thousands more are Afghans holding Special Immigrant Visas or others who qualified for resettlement.

It is not immediately clear how many Afghans will arrive in the U.S. following the planned troop withdrawal from the region. The U.S. had admitted 5,300 immigrants under the SIV this fiscal year, according to federal data shared with CBS News.

Afghan refugees arrive at Dulles Airport following Kabul evacuation
 
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