Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

Do you care?

  • No

    Votes: 40 23.4%

  • Hell No

    Votes: 47 27.5%

  • Yes, we should invade and send in Troops

    Votes: 25 14.6%

  • I like Pie

    Votes: 59 34.5%
  • Total voters
    171
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rjd970 said:
Not even sure what they have as far military procurement for a national army.
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I have this feeling China would be more than happy to oblige their military needs in exchange for "trade" for what they want.

And let's face facts. China has the capability to produce any part needed to keep Blackhawks running.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I have this feeling China would be more than happy to oblige their military needs in exchange for "trade" for what they want.

And let's face facts. China has the capability to produce any part needed to keep Blackhawks running.
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What does China get out of it? Access to natural resources?

Also, I would think they need serious support from China to make it happen. According to SIGAR they couldn’t keep up with what was needed when were right beside them holding their hand the whole time.
 
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rjd970 said:
What does China get out of it? Access to natural resources?

Also, I would think they need serious support from China to make it happen. According to SIGAR they couldn’t keep up with what was needed when were right beside them holding their hand the whole time.
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Supposedly Afghanistan has huge deposits of rare earth metals. The stuff needed to make batteries for our "green energy" energy economy.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I have this feeling China would be more than happy to oblige their military needs in exchange for "trade" for what they want.

And let's face facts. China has the capability to produce any part needed to keep Blackhawks running.
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I'd wager it be more efficient to just get aircraft from China all together, rather than to have China spin up a manufacturing industry for every little cog and widget needed to keep the UH60 serviceable.
 
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Septic said:
I'd wager it be more efficient to just get aircraft from China all together, rather than to have China spin up a manufacturing industry for every little cog and widget needed to keep the UH60 serviceable.
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We sold China UH-60s and they have copied them in mass so that manufacturing industry to keep them flying is already in place.
 
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hog88 said:
We sold China UH-60s and they have copied them in mass so that manufacturing industry to keep them flying is already in place.
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Thanks, I didn't know that - but it looks like the source and design is different than that.

The speculation arose from the fact that the PLAAF had bought 24 Sikorsky S-70-C2, which the Black Hawk was based on. There were also speculations that linked the design of Z-20 to the Black Hawk that was abandoned by US special forces in Pakistan during the operation to kill Osama bin Laden on 1 May 2011.[13] According to sources, Pakistan had allowed Chinese officials to examine wreckage of the abandoned Black Hawk.[14]

While the Z-20 bears a strong resemblance to the S-70/UH-60 Black Hawk series, there are several key differences including a five-bladed main rotor (as opposed to four on a Black Hawk) and more angular tail-to-fuselage joint frame, giving it greater lift, cabin capacity, and endurance than the Black Hawk. It also has a fly-by-wire design as well as fairings installed aft of the engine exhausts and on the tail spine, which are likely housings for satellite communications or the BeiDou satellite navigation system.[15] Aviation Week points out that China may had decided it was better to improve upon the proven known design of the 1970s S-70/UH-60 Black Hawk that fits PLA operational requirements than to assume developmental risks. This was consistent with the strategy that China used with the development of the Z-8 and Z-9 helicopters.[3]

The Z-20 is believed to be powered by the domestic WZ-10 turboshaft engine providing 1,800 kW (about 2,400 shp), compared to the GE T700-701D engine that produces 1,500 kW (about 2,011 shp) on the S-70/UH-60 Black Hawk.[16] In addition to a more powerful engine than the S-70/UH-60 Black Hawk, the Z-20 incorporates new technologies that reduce weight and improve lift as well as cutting edge de-icing tech on the rotor-blades. These features enable it to conduct operations at altitudes above 4,000 m (13,200 ft).[4]
 
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Septic said:
How did you connect those two things together? Rare earth metals and Biden fault?
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The lack of strategy by banning REM mining in our nation and China gaining access to foreign deposits, all the while advocating elimination of carbon based fuels. Terrifyingly stupid. Hence the Biden Plan
 
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Septic said:
I'd wager it be more efficient to just get aircraft from China all together, rather than to have China spin up a manufacturing industry for every little cog and widget needed to keep the UH60 serviceable.
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Certainly a possibility. I was speaking more in general terms that the Chinese have the capability to quickly do that if parts became an issue and they wanted to keep them flying.

You don't really hear much about Chinese helicopters... different subject and time.
 
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But Iran won't be able to do as much damage with their nuclear warhead as China did with an "accidental" virus. The release may have been accidental, but the Chinese didn't mutate a disease by accident. Sometimes we spend too much time worrying about some deadly things and not enough about the ones that really hurt us. Neither the manufactured warhead or the manufactured disease is acceptable.
 
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rjd970 said:
What does China get out of it? Access to natural resources?

Also, I would think they need serious support from China to make it happen. According to SIGAR they couldn’t keep up with what was needed when were right beside them holding their hand the whole time.
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China gains strength by setting up proxies around the world to keep the competition looking elsewhere ... in addition to natural resources and poppies. New bases on another side of India are a bonus, too. Access is a problem for China, though, Afghanistan is landlocked with a lot of Stans around it, and a very narrow corridor to China.
 
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AM64 said:
China gains strength by setting up proxies around the world to keep the competition looking elsewhere ... in addition to natural resources and poppies. New bases on another side of India are a bonus, too. Access is a problem for China, though, Afghanistan is landlocked with a lot of Stans around it, and a very narrow corridor to China.
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China pretty much already owns Pakistan, IIRC. Pakistani officials get all enraged whenever Western Television asks them to criticize China. Was it their PM a while back who was *****ing on America’s treatment of Muslims and got asked about the Uighur genocide and you could hear the tires screech as he threw on the e-brakes.
 
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rjd970 said:
What does China get out of it? Access to natural resources?

Also, I would think they need serious support from China to make it happen. According to SIGAR they couldn’t keep up with what was needed when were right beside them holding their hand the whole time.
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I suspect China is going to do what they have done else where. Prop the regime up with tons of loans they can't payback and in return China will take over the game.

Afghanistan to develop $3 trillion in mining potential
 
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RockyTop85 said:
China pretty much already owns Pakistan, IIRC. Pakistani officials get all enraged whenever Western Television asks them to criticize China. Was it their PM a while back who was *****ing on America’s treatment of Muslims and got asked about the Uighur genocide and you could hear the tires screech as he threw on the e-brakes.
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And yet we continue to be there top benefactor with billions of dollars in aid every year.
 
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hog88 said:
And yet we continue to be there top benefactor with billions of dollars in aid every year.
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Pakistan and India hate each other. Hence why China wants to keep Pakistan in their hip pocket. We try to keep them there because they're the only predominantly Muslim nation over there (for now) with nukes.
 
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volfanhill said:
You will have to excuse me if I take top US geologists, military, and the pentagons opinion over your gut.

Minerals in Afghanistan worth $1 trillion, U.S. says - CNN.com
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That's kind of like the estimates that there are trillions of dollars of oil in the Arctic. How much would it cost to extract it? And to the point of the discussion, is China really in a position to do more there than we did? It will have a lot of the same issues . . . with a less effective military.
 
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Velo Vol said:
That's kind of like the estimates that there are trillions of dollars of oil in the Arctic. How much would it cost to extract it? And to the point of the discussion, is China really in a position to do more there than we did? It will have a lot of the same issues . . . with a less effective military.
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It won’t cost trillion.

Yes, China is in a much better situation to do more with Afghanistan than us. They DGAS about winning hearts and minds, nation building or civil rights. China will supply and pay off the Taliban to do their bidding while they rape the country.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Pakistan and India hate each other. Hence why China wants to keep Pakistan in their hip pocket. We try to keep them there because they're the only predominantly Muslim nation over there (for now) with nukes.
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Aren’t they also the best prospect of a sea port with access to Afghanistan to maintain supply lines? Or at least the best one that avoided sole dependence on the Russians. Think I remember hearing that somewhere but I don’t really know anything about Turkmenistan.

Less dependence on Russia and Pakistan was one of the best strategic arguments I heard for getting out. Not wanting a limited, tribal government with a history of being cozy with terrorists on the border of Pakistan, due to nukes was the best one in favor of staying.
 
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