Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

Do you care?

  • No

    Votes: 40 23.4%
  • Hell No

    Votes: 47 27.5%
  • Yes, we should invade and send in Troops

    Votes: 25 14.6%
  • I like Pie

    Votes: 59 34.5%

  • Total voters
    171
Minding our own business and burying our head in the sand has always worked out so well for us and the rest of the world . I think Yesterday is a helluva good reminder of what can happen when you let things spiral out of control and IMO has shaped how we’ve handled conflict for the past 80+ years. I’ve already pointed out that we are far from perfect and that there have been unnecessary wars fought. Vietnam being the most obvious and costly in terms human life. I don’t think the 2003 Iraq was necessary and I think the nation building idea in Afghanistan was terrible. I also think the way we left Afghanistan was terrible given that everyone with a brain could see the entire country was falling to Taliban takeover during our draw down. Regardless if we should’ve been there or not, we were there and we completely botched the exit and we left our people out to dry. We should never have given up Bagram either, along with allowing the Chinese to come in scoop up the lithium mines. The level of incompetence of the withdrawal is staggering.


I do enjoy the irony of you always calling Trump a nazi or fascist or whatever the buzz word that is spoon fed through the media to masses and yet there were no new wars during his watch. The world wasn’t constantly in chaos and massively unstable as it has been for the past few years during the current administration.
We're mall spoon fed through the media, which includes the lie spewing right wing outlets as well as the leftish bamboozlers. As for Trump, I've watched videos and live TV comments of his since his USFL days. Mostly, because he amused me. But then, I slowly began to really pay attention to some of the stuff he was saying over time. By and by, one thing led to another, until his candidacy for Prez, then I saw what he really is, really, for the first time. Made me puke. IT;s hard to lure me into any set position because I'm a skeptic to begin with. But once I make a decision, it's just as hard to bulge me out of it. Yet, I still listen, cause you can always learn something new, even if it is old. Now, rigid thinking folks like MAGAs, are just puppets, and sloganists, not thinking entities. And therein lies the difference betwixt them and me. As for Afghan, ain't my country, don't care what they do as long as they leave us alone too. Same with the Chinese, Russians, etc. IF the USA genuinely lived its own Constitution, Bill of Rights, and other finely penned laws and regulations of the founding fathers, this nation would become impossibly greater than it is or has been. It wouldn't matter what other countries did because the beacon we should have been would be so bright, they'd crawl at our feet begging to be like us. It's hypocrisy that has shackled and continues to shackle us. And by default, the world.
 
I completely agree. There wasn’t really a definitive exit plan. I feel like the plan was to kill bin Laden in late 2001 and when he fled to the tribal areas of Pakistan we just kind of hung out because we didn’t want him to comeback. The biggest question/ problem I have about the early stages of that war was how we let the Northern Alliance take point on his capture on Tora Bora. We had him. He knew we had him. If we let Delta Teams supported by Rangers go get him it was over and they were all in place to do so. But we didn’t, and I’ve never heard a decent explanation as to why. Maybe like you said it would’ve negated big corporations w/ government ties from establishing itself for the long term and becoming extremely profitable there. I have no explanation on what happened from 02-21. My only thought was that we kicked the hornets nest in Iraq and brought out/created a bunch of new crazies and we were stuck in Afghanistan bc our resources were mostly in Iraq and we couldn’t politically risk losing the country w/o killing bin Laden.

The explanation is a simple one, we had flag rank officers from the different services and even divisions competing for the glory. Read Not a Good Day to Die, it's about operation Anaconda. It gives some detailed insight into the political infighting and interservice bickering that was going on.
 
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We’re certainly far from perfect. That said, I guess we’re the only ones that have ever done anything like that right? Do you hold everyone else in contempt the way you do the US?
I'll answer that... Yes, I do. The British, Belgians and Spanish were just as bad.

This thread is/was on the topic of the Taliban. The same Taliban that harbored Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, where the 9/11 attacks were mostly planned.
The ringleader and 15 of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

I don’t recall the Soviets being attacked by the Afghanis in the 80’s, but they just went in there and killed everybody.
A total distortion of history and the events.

Who rose to fame during that war? UBL. Yeah we financed them to shoot down helicopters and kill Russians, we’re doing the same thing now in Ukraine. There are unintended consequences in everything we do. Please stop pretending like everything is our fault.
Now make sense of both of the highlighted. You openly admit that we financed the Mujahadeen (and far many more groups), yet you get mad at the US being blamed for destabilizing the planet.
 
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The Speech That Military Recruiters Don’t Want You To Hear

This is beautifully written and covers my main line of thinking when it comes to the military "protecting our freedoms".

Before we get into this, let’s discuss what most would label “a hypothetical.” Tonight, I’m going to break into your home, point a gun at you, and rob you – all the while claiming that I’m not your enemy. Your enemy, I’ll say, is elsewhere, and I don’t mean across the street but in a different country. What will you do? By a show of hands, will you fight back and protect those in your home by evicting me or even by killing me? By a show of hands, who will thank me and travel to said country in search of the enemy, leaving those in your home vulnerable to me? Anyone? Nobody? It sounds absurd, but for reasons that I’ll soon explain, you’ll understand that it’s more real than hypothetical.
 
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The Speech That Military Recruiters Don’t Want You To Hear

This is beautifully written and covers my mainline of thinking when it comes to the military "protecting our freedoms".

Before we get into this, let’s discuss what most would label “a hypothetical.” Tonight, I’m going to break into your home, point a gun at you, and rob you – all the while claiming that I’m not your enemy. Your enemy, I’ll say, is elsewhere, and I don’t mean across the street but in a different country. What will you do? By a show of hands, will you fight back and protect those in your home by evicting me or even by killing me? By a show of hands, who will thank me and travel to said country in search of the enemy, leaving those in your home vulnerable to me? Anyone? Nobody? It sounds absurd, but for reasons that I’ll soon explain, you’ll understand that it’s more real than hypothetical.
Hello, I’m Casey Carlisle. I’m a West Point graduate, and I spent five years in the Army, including 11 months in Afghanistan. Some of you are thinking about serving your country, and most of you are asking yourselves, “Why am I listening to this guy?” I’m glad that both of these groups are here, and I promise that my remarks will cause both groups to think differently about military service.

I was a high-school senior on September 11th, 2001, sitting in class and stunned after hearing the principal announce that our country had just been attacked. Why would someone want to do this to the greatest country on Earth? I was also livid, and I wanted revenge. I wanted to kill the people responsible for this atrocity, and my dilemma then was between enlisting in the military to exact revenge now or first spending years at a military academy before helping to rid the world of terrorists. I chose the latter, so I didn’t deploy to Afghanistan until 2009. My time there radically changed my views, which was uncomfortable, but, as with failure, discomfort breeds learning.

I learned that not only were we not keeping our fellow Americans safe or protecting their liberty, we were further impoverishing one of the poorest countries in the world. I watched in disgust my alleged allies – the Afghan police – rob their neighbors while on patrol and in broad daylight via traffic stops. Imagine getting pulled over, not for speeding, but because the cop hopes to rob you. My enemy – the Taliban – didn’t do such things, which is why I ended up having more respect for them than for my mission or for those who were allegedly helping us accomplish it. “Oh, but they’re horrible in other ways,” you might argue, and I’d agree; however, it’s much harder to kill an idea than it is to kill a person. Killing someone who holds an idea that you find distasteful only helps that person’s loved ones accept that idea. It turns out that killing someone for their ideas is a great way to spread those ideas.

Instead of dismissing me as an anti-American lunatic, consider the following. In the year 2000, the Taliban controlled most of Afghanistan, and today, they control all of it. This is just one of the reasons why I feel contempt for those who thank me for my alleged service. Our ‘service’ was worse than worthless, and the people thanking me were forced to pay for it. All of those who died there did so for nothing. And the innocent Afghans who were displaced, injured, or killed during our attempt to bring democracy to a country that didn’t want it were far better off in 2000 than they are now.

To be clear, the desire to serve one’s country is noble, but we must first define “country.” Serving one’s country is entirely different from serving one’s government. They are not the same. Serving one’s country is serving one’s family, friends, neighbors, and the land that they’ve made home. Serving one’s country is serving one’s community. Serving one’s government, however, is ultimately what everyone does when they enlist or when they take my path as an officer. Who are these people in government that you’ll end up serving? Are they your family, friends, or neighbors? For the most part, they are not, yet, they are ultimately who will decide your fate while in uniform. Whether they’re politicians or bureaucrats, they decide what serving one’s country entails, and, naturally, they’ll subordinate our country’s prosperity to their job security. If given the opportunity, these people will not hesitate to send you to your death if it means scoring a measly political point against their ideological foes. Serving one’s country in this context – reality – means serving these parasites.

Here’s something else to consider. When you tell the military recruiter that you want to enlist, what are you implying? You’re telling the recruiter – a government agent – that not only do you want to serve your government but that you’re willing to kill for it. Tell any other recruiter in the real economy of that proclivity, and, at the very least, you won’t be getting that job. Seems obvious enough, but have you heard of Operation Vigilant Eagle? This operation, headed by the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI, tracks veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan and characterizes them as extremists and potential domestic terrorists. Why? Because these veterans might be disgruntled or suffering from the psychological effects of war. Yes, you heard that correctly.

The government that bribed the graduating senior into joining the military now views that same patriot as its enemy. You might protest, thinking that getting put on a list isn’t all that bad, but I’d argue that lists are never created as an end; they’re always a means, and in this case, too, they’re diabolical. Not only were these veterans put on a list for the ‘crime’ of justifiably feeling disillusioned, when a veteran was explicitly critical of the regime, these veterans were labeled “mentally unfit” and forced into psychiatric facilities where they’d receive treatment for whatever illness the regime deemed appropriate, indefinitely. I don’t know if this program continues today, but if the regime were to tell us, “We’re not doing that anymore,” would you believe it?

I know you weren’t around for 9/11, but I’m sure you recall March of 2020. I bet you were almost as angry then as I was. We all witnessed a very sad truth: the “home of the brave” is devoid of the brave, and the “land of the free” hasn’t been free for quite some time. Most Americans not only take their liberty for granted, they readily reject it. They’re terrified of it, which is why they hate it. What we all witnessed then undermines the tired slogan – the blatant lie – that those who join the military are “fighting for our freedom.” This is no theory; it’s why, to this day, the military is struggling like hell to recruit people like you. They think you’re stupid.

But you might’ve realized that serving one’s country necessarily implies staying in one’s country. You might be thinking that when one joins the military, he swears to defend the Constitution against all enemies – foreign and domestic; however, the regime would like you to combat only the foreign enemies that it tells you to hate. Who kicked you out of school in 2020? Who cancelled your games, meets, matches, and races? Who prevented you from traveling freely? Who thought it best that you not embrace your loved ones? Who masked you? Our own government is our greatest threat, and it has proven to be so scared of those it duped into ‘serving’ that it’ll send you to some other country or to a mental hospital in order to protect itself.

I’m not telling you what to do. I’m making sure that you’re fully aware of what you’re getting into if you decide to join the military, as I’m sure the recruiter didn’t tell you about Operation Vigilant Eagle. He probably didn’t tell you that 18 veterans kill themselves every day, and he probably didn’t tell you that the military is the final political option. But does it seem like the regime waits until all else fails before getting involved, or is it easier to count the countries that do not have U.S. military personnel stationed in them? Did the recruiter tell you that those who don’t ‘serve’ pay the salaries of those who do? Seems a bit backward – to be forced to pay those who allegedly serve you.

Most of the millionaires and billionaires in this country got rich by actually serving their fellow man via voluntary exchange, not by living off of their neighbors. I encourage you to consider taking that route – enriching yourself by enriching your community, not by parasitizing it. And no need to fixate on getting rich. If your interactions with your community are voluntary – no matter how lousy the pay – they’re likely honorable, no killing required. In closing, take a deep breath, and look around. Your country is here. We are your country, and when things get bad, we will need you here, not fighting those in a different country who pose no threat to us while leaving us vulnerable to our greatest threat. Thank you for listening.
 
No it's not. We shouldn't have gone over there in the first place. The USA has a long history poking its nose where it doesn't belong.
Trumped-up war with the Nipponese and Korea to force them to engage in one-sided trade deals. Tried the same thing with the Chinese to force acceptance of Christianity, unfair trading, and basically colonization of their country. Korean War post WWII. Vietnam, Bay of Pigs, the lie that led to both Iraq Wars, etc. Not to mention the rape of African nations. And that's why long simmering resentment towards the USA is becoming more openly brazen, and will get worse. It's showing up in Greece, Turkey, some of the Hispanic countries. The Chinese and Russians are exploiting this underlying, but growing, resentment. But we're still too dense to either change our policy, or just go home and let them rot. The mess is not solely Obama, Biden, Bush, etc. We have always presumed to be the boss of whoever we could boss around at any given time. The price of that attitude and behavior is costing us ever more now.

We were attacked by people the Taliban harbored or did you forget that Sept 11th happened?
 
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I'll answer that... Yes, I do. The British, Belgians and Spanish were just as bad.


The ringleader and 15 of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.


A total distortion of history and the events.


Now make sense of both of the highlighted. You openly admit that we financed the Mujahadeen (and far many more groups), yet you get mad at the US being blamed for destabilizing the planet.
1) Ok. Gotcha. Definitely not anything mentioned of Eastern Europe. Typical .

2) Thanks for the history lesson. Where was UBL when the 9/11 attacks occurred? Why wasn’t he in Saudi Arabia during the attacks ? Was it because he was expelled from the country in 1991? Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the true architect of 9/11 was Pakistani and anyone that has any knowledge at all of the 9/11 attacks knows that the majority of the hijackers were selected to be Saudi to create political divide.

3) Once again, no surprise as you’re the Pravda mouthpiece for Volnation .

4) I didn’t get mad saying at those saying we’ve played a part in some of the worlds problems. In fact I agree . I just don’t care to be lectured on the subject of Afghanistan by a Soviet apologist or anyone who refuses to acknowledge any fault by a former superpower and the large role they played in shaping the world.
 
Hello, I’m Casey Carlisle. I’m a West Point graduate, and I spent five years in the Army, including 11 months in Afghanistan. Some of you are thinking about serving your country, and most of you are asking yourselves, “Why am I listening to this guy?” I’m glad that both of these groups are here, and I promise that my remarks will cause both groups to think differently about military service.

I was a high-school senior on September 11th, 2001, sitting in class and stunned after hearing the principal announce that our country had just been attacked. Why would someone want to do this to the greatest country on Earth? I was also livid, and I wanted revenge. I wanted to kill the people responsible for this atrocity, and my dilemma then was between enlisting in the military to exact revenge now or first spending years at a military academy before helping to rid the world of terrorists. I chose the latter, so I didn’t deploy to Afghanistan until 2009. My time there radically changed my views, which was uncomfortable, but, as with failure, discomfort breeds learning.

I learned that not only were we not keeping our fellow Americans safe or protecting their liberty, we were further impoverishing one of the poorest countries in the world. I watched in disgust my alleged allies – the Afghan police – rob their neighbors while on patrol and in broad daylight via traffic stops. Imagine getting pulled over, not for speeding, but because the cop hopes to rob you. My enemy – the Taliban – didn’t do such things, which is why I ended up having more respect for them than for my mission or for those who were allegedly helping us accomplish it. “Oh, but they’re horrible in other ways,” you might argue, and I’d agree; however, it’s much harder to kill an idea than it is to kill a person. Killing someone who holds an idea that you find distasteful only helps that person’s loved ones accept that idea. It turns out that killing someone for their ideas is a great way to spread those ideas.

Instead of dismissing me as an anti-American lunatic, consider the following. In the year 2000, the Taliban controlled most of Afghanistan, and today, they control all of it. This is just one of the reasons why I feel contempt for those who thank me for my alleged service. Our ‘service’ was worse than worthless, and the people thanking me were forced to pay for it. All of those who died there did so for nothing. And the innocent Afghans who were displaced, injured, or killed during our attempt to bring democracy to a country that didn’t want it were far better off in 2000 than they are now.

To be clear, the desire to serve one’s country is noble, but we must first define “country.” Serving one’s country is entirely different from serving one’s government. They are not the same. Serving one’s country is serving one’s family, friends, neighbors, and the land that they’ve made home. Serving one’s country is serving one’s community. Serving one’s government, however, is ultimately what everyone does when they enlist or when they take my path as an officer. Who are these people in government that you’ll end up serving? Are they your family, friends, or neighbors? For the most part, they are not, yet, they are ultimately who will decide your fate while in uniform. Whether they’re politicians or bureaucrats, they decide what serving one’s country entails, and, naturally, they’ll subordinate our country’s prosperity to their job security. If given the opportunity, these people will not hesitate to send you to your death if it means scoring a measly political point against their ideological foes. Serving one’s country in this context – reality – means serving these parasites.

Here’s something else to consider. When you tell the military recruiter that you want to enlist, what are you implying? You’re telling the recruiter – a government agent – that not only do you want to serve your government but that you’re willing to kill for it. Tell any other recruiter in the real economy of that proclivity, and, at the very least, you won’t be getting that job. Seems obvious enough, but have you heard of Operation Vigilant Eagle? This operation, headed by the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI, tracks veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan and characterizes them as extremists and potential domestic terrorists. Why? Because these veterans might be disgruntled or suffering from the psychological effects of war. Yes, you heard that correctly.

The government that bribed the graduating senior into joining the military now views that same patriot as its enemy. You might protest, thinking that getting put on a list isn’t all that bad, but I’d argue that lists are never created as an end; they’re always a means, and in this case, too, they’re diabolical. Not only were these veterans put on a list for the ‘crime’ of justifiably feeling disillusioned, when a veteran was explicitly critical of the regime, these veterans were labeled “mentally unfit” and forced into psychiatric facilities where they’d receive treatment for whatever illness the regime deemed appropriate, indefinitely. I don’t know if this program continues today, but if the regime were to tell us, “We’re not doing that anymore,” would you believe it?

I know you weren’t around for 9/11, but I’m sure you recall March of 2020. I bet you were almost as angry then as I was. We all witnessed a very sad truth: the “home of the brave” is devoid of the brave, and the “land of the free” hasn’t been free for quite some time. Most Americans not only take their liberty for granted, they readily reject it. They’re terrified of it, which is why they hate it. What we all witnessed then undermines the tired slogan – the blatant lie – that those who join the military are “fighting for our freedom.” This is no theory; it’s why, to this day, the military is struggling like hell to recruit people like you. They think you’re stupid.

But you might’ve realized that serving one’s country necessarily implies staying in one’s country. You might be thinking that when one joins the military, he swears to defend the Constitution against all enemies – foreign and domestic; however, the regime would like you to combat only the foreign enemies that it tells you to hate. Who kicked you out of school in 2020? Who cancelled your games, meets, matches, and races? Who prevented you from traveling freely? Who thought it best that you not embrace your loved ones? Who masked you? Our own government is our greatest threat, and it has proven to be so scared of those it duped into ‘serving’ that it’ll send you to some other country or to a mental hospital in order to protect itself.

I’m not telling you what to do. I’m making sure that you’re fully aware of what you’re getting into if you decide to join the military, as I’m sure the recruiter didn’t tell you about Operation Vigilant Eagle. He probably didn’t tell you that 18 veterans kill themselves every day, and he probably didn’t tell you that the military is the final political option. But does it seem like the regime waits until all else fails before getting involved, or is it easier to count the countries that do not have U.S. military personnel stationed in them? Did the recruiter tell you that those who don’t ‘serve’ pay the salaries of those who do? Seems a bit backward – to be forced to pay those who allegedly serve you.

Most of the millionaires and billionaires in this country got rich by actually serving their fellow man via voluntary exchange, not by living off of their neighbors. I encourage you to consider taking that route – enriching yourself by enriching your community, not by parasitizing it. And no need to fixate on getting rich. If your interactions with your community are voluntary – no matter how lousy the pay – they’re likely honorable, no killing required. In closing, take a deep breath, and look around. Your country is here. We are your country, and when things get bad, we will need you here, not fighting those in a different country who pose no threat to us while leaving us vulnerable to our greatest threat. Thank you for listening.
1st Amendment.

Do you think a veteran of the Russian armed forces could make a similar speech that rails against Putin and his military escapades?

You know the answer is no, but I bet you’re going to try to claim that Russia has more free speech rights than the US.
 
4) I didn’t get mad saying at those saying we’ve played a part in some of the worlds problems. In fact I agree . I just don’t care to be lectured on the subject of Afghanistan by a Soviet apologist or anyone who refuses to acknowledge any fault by a former superpower and the large role they played in shaping the world.
Well I guess, me and you are just built differently. You care more about who the messenger is than the message. Also, you are probably one of those people that still believe that Russia of today is the CCCP of pre-1991. There is no way either of us will come to a amicable compromise when you cannot resolve these two issues.
 
Well I guess, me and you are just built differently. You care more about who the messenger is than the message. Also, you are probably one of those people that still believe that Russia of today is the CCCP of pre-1991. There is no way either of us will come to an amicable compromise when you cannot resolve these two issues.
I disagree. I don’t have a problem w/ the messenger, other than the fact that the Russians always seem to get the benefit of the doubt, while the United States is constantly being vilified. There never seems to be any sort of balance.
 
I'll answer that... Yes, I do. The British, Belgians and Spanish were just as bad.


The ringleader and 15 of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.


A total distortion of history and the events.


Now make sense of both of the highlighted. You openly admit that we financed the Mujahadeen (and far many more groups), yet you get mad at the US being blamed for destabilizing the planet.

So you would be fine with a country that harbors terrorists, protects them, and allows them to go out and attack other countries? That was what the Taliban was doing at the time. No one was opposed to Afghanistan. They were opposed to Iraq. Don't mix the two.
 
Hello, I’m Casey Carlisle. I’m a West Point graduate, and I spent five years in the Army, including 11 months in Afghanistan. Some of you are thinking about serving your country, and most of you are asking yourselves, “Why am I listening to this guy?” I’m glad that both of these groups are here, and I promise that my remarks will cause both groups to think differently about military service.

I was a high-school senior on September 11th, 2001, sitting in class and stunned after hearing the principal announce that our country had just been attacked. Why would someone want to do this to the greatest country on Earth? I was also livid, and I wanted revenge. I wanted to kill the people responsible for this atrocity, and my dilemma then was between enlisting in the military to exact revenge now or first spending years at a military academy before helping to rid the world of terrorists. I chose the latter, so I didn’t deploy to Afghanistan until 2009. My time there radically changed my views, which was uncomfortable, but, as with failure, discomfort breeds learning.

I learned that not only were we not keeping our fellow Americans safe or protecting their liberty, we were further impoverishing one of the poorest countries in the world. I watched in disgust my alleged allies – the Afghan police – rob their neighbors while on patrol and in broad daylight via traffic stops. Imagine getting pulled over, not for speeding, but because the cop hopes to rob you. My enemy – the Taliban – didn’t do such things, which is why I ended up having more respect for them than for my mission or for those who were allegedly helping us accomplish it. “Oh, but they’re horrible in other ways,” you might argue, and I’d agree; however, it’s much harder to kill an idea than it is to kill a person. Killing someone who holds an idea that you find distasteful only helps that person’s loved ones accept that idea. It turns out that killing someone for their ideas is a great way to spread those ideas.

Instead of dismissing me as an anti-American lunatic, consider the following. In the year 2000, the Taliban controlled most of Afghanistan, and today, they control all of it. This is just one of the reasons why I feel contempt for those who thank me for my alleged service. Our ‘service’ was worse than worthless, and the people thanking me were forced to pay for it. All of those who died there did so for nothing. And the innocent Afghans who were displaced, injured, or killed during our attempt to bring democracy to a country that didn’t want it were far better off in 2000 than they are now.

To be clear, the desire to serve one’s country is noble, but we must first define “country.” Serving one’s country is entirely different from serving one’s government. They are not the same. Serving one’s country is serving one’s family, friends, neighbors, and the land that they’ve made home. Serving one’s country is serving one’s community. Serving one’s government, however, is ultimately what everyone does when they enlist or when they take my path as an officer. Who are these people in government that you’ll end up serving? Are they your family, friends, or neighbors? For the most part, they are not, yet, they are ultimately who will decide your fate while in uniform. Whether they’re politicians or bureaucrats, they decide what serving one’s country entails, and, naturally, they’ll subordinate our country’s prosperity to their job security. If given the opportunity, these people will not hesitate to send you to your death if it means scoring a measly political point against their ideological foes. Serving one’s country in this context – reality – means serving these parasites.

Here’s something else to consider. When you tell the military recruiter that you want to enlist, what are you implying? You’re telling the recruiter – a government agent – that not only do you want to serve your government but that you’re willing to kill for it. Tell any other recruiter in the real economy of that proclivity, and, at the very least, you won’t be getting that job. Seems obvious enough, but have you heard of Operation Vigilant Eagle? This operation, headed by the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI, tracks veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan and characterizes them as extremists and potential domestic terrorists. Why? Because these veterans might be disgruntled or suffering from the psychological effects of war. Yes, you heard that correctly.

The government that bribed the graduating senior into joining the military now views that same patriot as its enemy. You might protest, thinking that getting put on a list isn’t all that bad, but I’d argue that lists are never created as an end; they’re always a means, and in this case, too, they’re diabolical. Not only were these veterans put on a list for the ‘crime’ of justifiably feeling disillusioned, when a veteran was explicitly critical of the regime, these veterans were labeled “mentally unfit” and forced into psychiatric facilities where they’d receive treatment for whatever illness the regime deemed appropriate, indefinitely. I don’t know if this program continues today, but if the regime were to tell us, “We’re not doing that anymore,” would you believe it?

I know you weren’t around for 9/11, but I’m sure you recall March of 2020. I bet you were almost as angry then as I was. We all witnessed a very sad truth: the “home of the brave” is devoid of the brave, and the “land of the free” hasn’t been free for quite some time. Most Americans not only take their liberty for granted, they readily reject it. They’re terrified of it, which is why they hate it. What we all witnessed then undermines the tired slogan – the blatant lie – that those who join the military are “fighting for our freedom.” This is no theory; it’s why, to this day, the military is struggling like hell to recruit people like you. They think you’re stupid.

But you might’ve realized that serving one’s country necessarily implies staying in one’s country. You might be thinking that when one joins the military, he swears to defend the Constitution against all enemies – foreign and domestic; however, the regime would like you to combat only the foreign enemies that it tells you to hate. Who kicked you out of school in 2020? Who cancelled your games, meets, matches, and races? Who prevented you from traveling freely? Who thought it best that you not embrace your loved ones? Who masked you? Our own government is our greatest threat, and it has proven to be so scared of those it duped into ‘serving’ that it’ll send you to some other country or to a mental hospital in order to protect itself.

I’m not telling you what to do. I’m making sure that you’re fully aware of what you’re getting into if you decide to join the military, as I’m sure the recruiter didn’t tell you about Operation Vigilant Eagle. He probably didn’t tell you that 18 veterans kill themselves every day, and he probably didn’t tell you that the military is the final political option. But does it seem like the regime waits until all else fails before getting involved, or is it easier to count the countries that do not have U.S. military personnel stationed in them? Did the recruiter tell you that those who don’t ‘serve’ pay the salaries of those who do? Seems a bit backward – to be forced to pay those who allegedly serve you.

Most of the millionaires and billionaires in this country got rich by actually serving their fellow man via voluntary exchange, not by living off of their neighbors. I encourage you to consider taking that route – enriching yourself by enriching your community, not by parasitizing it. And no need to fixate on getting rich. If your interactions with your community are voluntary – no matter how lousy the pay – they’re likely honorable, no killing required. In closing, take a deep breath, and look around. Your country is here. We are your country, and when things get bad, we will need you here, not fighting those in a different country who pose no threat to us while leaving us vulnerable to our greatest threat. Thank you for listening.


Seek help, dude. You sound like another Tim McVeigh. It's ironic that you complain about Operation Vigilant Eagle when you appear to be a misguided extremist in the making and precisely the reason the military needs to monitor some veterans. Whatever you are reading, try something completely different--seriously.

You say the America "hasn't been free" for quite some time. Really? How are we not free? Do explain.

Most Americans "readily reject their freedom." Really? That's a preposterous statement--but feel free to explain your viewpoint, if you can. I doubt you can explain it rationally.

The idea that America's military personnel are "fighting for our freedom" is, yes, a simplistic, overused, patriotic slogan, I'll grant you that. That said, many U.S. special forces and soldiers do in fact fight for our freedom. The unit that killed Osama Bin Laden was doing that--as are all our efforts to counter terrorists, extremist rebels, genocidal governments, etc. I do chuckle at how many Americans want to venerate all military personnel as if they are genuine heroes. Ninety percent of those who enlist do so because the military offers them a better career path than they might otherwise find with their high-school educations. It's simply good, practical financial choice for many. Those who attend and graduate from the service academies are something of a different breed, in many cases, and many do have more noble than practical motivations.

You, of all people, should know why the United States went into Afghanistan originally--but apparently you don't. It was a haven for terrorists. The U.S. tried to do the right thing there: It's a backward, medieval country, and 20 years proved not enough time to bring it into the 18th or 19th centuries, much less the 21st. And please don't try to assert that the Taliban is good for Afghanistan. It most certainly is not.

Your views on America's foreign policy are naive and unrealistic, to put it politely. Every country has strategic interests, and those interests need to be protected. Why? Because there are adversarial nations that seek to undermine our interests, our system, and those of our allies. Russia, a third-rate nation run by a murderous dictator, has been working steadily to undermine America's interests--and those of other Western nations--for decades. It is now trying to subjugate the people of Ukraine. Therefore it's efforts--and those of other adversarial nations--must be countered. And we must work to align our goals with our allies and other like-minded nations and systems of govermments. This is not to suggest that all our foreign-policy initiatives are wise; some decisions prove not to be. That will always be the case, unfortunately. The Bush administration lied to the American people to justify our invasion of Iraq. It might prove, over the long term, to be helpful--but as a short-term decision it was dishonest and imprudent.

The U.S. government does a lot of good things for a lot of people both here and abroad. It's fine to be skeptical of some things--but your anti-government screed strikes me as unhealthy. Don't let it take you in directions that would not be good for your future.
 
What is now going on....this administration is actively financially supporting the Taliban and this nations enemies.

 
So you would be fine with a country that harbors terrorists, protects them, and allows them to go out and attack other countries? That was what the Taliban was doing at the time. No one was opposed to Afghanistan. They were opposed to Iraq. Don't mix the two.
Some say the Taliban offered up Bin Ladin and his crew if we would supply proof of their guilt, and Bush refused. If true then that changes the narrative.
Many were opposed to the Afghan government then, as well as to Iraq.
 
Harris’s vulnerabilities on the border crisis have led liberal media to pretend that she had nothing to do with the border despite the fact that they repeatedly referred to her as the “border czar” and Biden’s “point person” on the border crisis. But travel back to 2021 and you will find that Harris also had a hand in the Afghanistan withdrawal that sank Biden’s approval rating for good.


CNN’s Dana Bash acknowledged that Biden wanted Harris to be the “last person in the room” on every major decision of his administration, and Harris confirmed that she was the last person in the room with him on the Afghanistan withdrawal. Harris even confirmed that she felt comfortable with Biden’s withdrawal decision and plan.




 

Gloating Taliban Stage Military Parade to Celebrate three years in power After Seizing Control of Afghanistan - with a swarm of fighters riding motorbikes joining a party at a former US Airbase​


The Taliban's armed forces towed Soviet-era tanks as well as US-made armoured vehicles as they waved the black-and-white flag of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan in Bagram today.

Chinese and Iranian diplomats were among hundreds who gathered for the parade at the former base which previously served as the linchpin for US-led operations against the Taliban for two decades.

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Afghanistan's Taliban rulers held a military parade with swarms of motorbikes at a former 'linchpin' US base after seizing power of the country three years ago.

Taliban forces seized the capital on August 15, 2021, after the US-backed government collapsed and its leaders fled into exile.

The Taliban first took to the streets showing off dozens of US-made armoured vehicles and weaponry during victory parades on September 1, 2021.

One event, in the southern city of Kandahar, even featured a fly-past from a Black Hawk helicopter flying the flag of the Taliban.

The parades of the hardware, captured from Afghan forces during the group's takeover of Afghanistan, were held just hours after U.S. President Joe Biden defended his decision to end two decades of American presence in the country.

 

Gloating Taliban Stage Military Parade to Celebrate three years in power After Seizing Control of Afghanistan - with a swarm of fighters riding motorbikes joining a party at a former US Airbase​


The Taliban's armed forces towed Soviet-era tanks as well as US-made armoured vehicles as they waved the black-and-white flag of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan in Bagram today.

Chinese and Iranian diplomats were among hundreds who gathered for the parade at the former base which previously served as the linchpin for US-led operations against the Taliban for two decades.

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Afghanistan's Taliban rulers held a military parade with swarms of motorbikes at a former 'linchpin' US base after seizing power of the country three years ago.

Taliban forces seized the capital on August 15, 2021, after the US-backed government collapsed and its leaders fled into exile.

The Taliban first took to the streets showing off dozens of US-made armoured vehicles and weaponry during victory parades on September 1, 2021.

One event, in the southern city of Kandahar, even featured a fly-past from a Black Hawk helicopter flying the flag of the Taliban.

The parades of the hardware, captured from Afghan forces during the group's takeover of Afghanistan, were held just hours after U.S. President Joe Biden defended his decision to end two decades of American presence in the country.

I wonder if the $40+ million a week we’re giving them is allowing them to take some flying lessons so that they don’t crash anymore helicopters.
 

Biden and Harris 'Never Once Reached Out' to Relatives of Soldiers Killed in Bungled Afghanistan Withdrawal, Families Say​


They just want to pretend it didn't happen,' says Gold Star aunt Cheryl Juels​


The families of U.S. service members killed at Abbey Gate in Afghanistan said they have never been contacted by President Joe Biden or Vice President Kamala Harris, three years after the administration’s rushed withdrawal left 13 Americans dead and hundreds stranded.

"There's never even been condolences [from Biden or Harris]. They just want to pretend it didn't happen," said Cheryl Juels, the aunt of fallen 23-year-old Marine Sergeant Nicole M. Gee. "They want to take credit for ending the war, but they don't want to take any responsibility for the way it all went down."

Juels said Biden has "never once reached out to any of our family. Kamala Harris has never reached out."

 
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