Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

Do you care?

  • No

    Votes: 40 23.4%
  • Hell No

    Votes: 47 27.5%
  • Yes, we should invade and send in Troops

    Votes: 25 14.6%
  • I like Pie

    Votes: 59 34.5%

  • Total voters
    171
Hello, I’m Casey Carlisle. I’m a West Point graduate, and I spent five years in the Army, including 11 months in Afghanistan. Some of you are thinking about serving your country, and most of you are asking yourselves, “Why am I listening to this guy?” I’m glad that both of these groups are here, and I promise that my remarks will cause both groups to think differently about military service.

I was a high-school senior on September 11th, 2001, sitting in class and stunned after hearing the principal announce that our country had just been attacked. Why would someone want to do this to the greatest country on Earth? I was also livid, and I wanted revenge. I wanted to kill the people responsible for this atrocity, and my dilemma then was between enlisting in the military to exact revenge now or first spending years at a military academy before helping to rid the world of terrorists. I chose the latter, so I didn’t deploy to Afghanistan until 2009. My time there radically changed my views, which was uncomfortable, but, as with failure, discomfort breeds learning.

I learned that not only were we not keeping our fellow Americans safe or protecting their liberty, we were further impoverishing one of the poorest countries in the world. I watched in disgust my alleged allies – the Afghan police – rob their neighbors while on patrol and in broad daylight via traffic stops. Imagine getting pulled over, not for speeding, but because the cop hopes to rob you. My enemy – the Taliban – didn’t do such things, which is why I ended up having more respect for them than for my mission or for those who were allegedly helping us accomplish it. “Oh, but they’re horrible in other ways,” you might argue, and I’d agree; however, it’s much harder to kill an idea than it is to kill a person. Killing someone who holds an idea that you find distasteful only helps that person’s loved ones accept that idea. It turns out that killing someone for their ideas is a great way to spread those ideas.

Instead of dismissing me as an anti-American lunatic, consider the following. In the year 2000, the Taliban controlled most of Afghanistan, and today, they control all of it. This is just one of the reasons why I feel contempt for those who thank me for my alleged service. Our ‘service’ was worse than worthless, and the people thanking me were forced to pay for it. All of those who died there did so for nothing. And the innocent Afghans who were displaced, injured, or killed during our attempt to bring democracy to a country that didn’t want it were far better off in 2000 than they are now.

To be clear, the desire to serve one’s country is noble, but we must first define “country.” Serving one’s country is entirely different from serving one’s government. They are not the same. Serving one’s country is serving one’s family, friends, neighbors, and the land that they’ve made home. Serving one’s country is serving one’s community. Serving one’s government, however, is ultimately what everyone does when they enlist or when they take my path as an officer. Who are these people in government that you’ll end up serving? Are they your family, friends, or neighbors? For the most part, they are not, yet, they are ultimately who will decide your fate while in uniform. Whether they’re politicians or bureaucrats, they decide what serving one’s country entails, and, naturally, they’ll subordinate our country’s prosperity to their job security. If given the opportunity, these people will not hesitate to send you to your death if it means scoring a measly political point against their ideological foes. Serving one’s country in this context – reality – means serving these parasites.

Here’s something else to consider. When you tell the military recruiter that you want to enlist, what are you implying? You’re telling the recruiter – a government agent – that not only do you want to serve your government but that you’re willing to kill for it. Tell any other recruiter in the real economy of that proclivity, and, at the very least, you won’t be getting that job. Seems obvious enough, but have you heard of Operation Vigilant Eagle? This operation, headed by the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI, tracks veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan and characterizes them as extremists and potential domestic terrorists. Why? Because these veterans might be disgruntled or suffering from the psychological effects of war. Yes, you heard that correctly.

The government that bribed the graduating senior into joining the military now views that same patriot as its enemy. You might protest, thinking that getting put on a list isn’t all that bad, but I’d argue that lists are never created as an end; they’re always a means, and in this case, too, they’re diabolical. Not only were these veterans put on a list for the ‘crime’ of justifiably feeling disillusioned, when a veteran was explicitly critical of the regime, these veterans were labeled “mentally unfit” and forced into psychiatric facilities where they’d receive treatment for whatever illness the regime deemed appropriate, indefinitely. I don’t know if this program continues today, but if the regime were to tell us, “We’re not doing that anymore,” would you believe it?

I know you weren’t around for 9/11, but I’m sure you recall March of 2020. I bet you were almost as angry then as I was. We all witnessed a very sad truth: the “home of the brave” is devoid of the brave, and the “land of the free” hasn’t been free for quite some time. Most Americans not only take their liberty for granted, they readily reject it. They’re terrified of it, which is why they hate it. What we all witnessed then undermines the tired slogan – the blatant lie – that those who join the military are “fighting for our freedom.” This is no theory; it’s why, to this day, the military is struggling like hell to recruit people like you. They think you’re stupid.

But you might’ve realized that serving one’s country necessarily implies staying in one’s country. You might be thinking that when one joins the military, he swears to defend the Constitution against all enemies – foreign and domestic; however, the regime would like you to combat only the foreign enemies that it tells you to hate. Who kicked you out of school in 2020? Who cancelled your games, meets, matches, and races? Who prevented you from traveling freely? Who thought it best that you not embrace your loved ones? Who masked you? Our own government is our greatest threat, and it has proven to be so scared of those it duped into ‘serving’ that it’ll send you to some other country or to a mental hospital in order to protect itself.

I’m not telling you what to do. I’m making sure that you’re fully aware of what you’re getting into if you decide to join the military, as I’m sure the recruiter didn’t tell you about Operation Vigilant Eagle. He probably didn’t tell you that 18 veterans kill themselves every day, and he probably didn’t tell you that the military is the final political option. But does it seem like the regime waits until all else fails before getting involved, or is it easier to count the countries that do not have U.S. military personnel stationed in them? Did the recruiter tell you that those who don’t ‘serve’ pay the salaries of those who do? Seems a bit backward – to be forced to pay those who allegedly serve you.

Most of the millionaires and billionaires in this country got rich by actually serving their fellow man via voluntary exchange, not by living off of their neighbors. I encourage you to consider taking that route – enriching yourself by enriching your community, not by parasitizing it. And no need to fixate on getting rich. If your interactions with your community are voluntary – no matter how lousy the pay – they’re likely honorable, no killing required. In closing, take a deep breath, and look around. Your country is here. We are your country, and when things get bad, we will need you here, not fighting those in a different country who pose no threat to us while leaving us vulnerable to our greatest threat. Thank you for listening.
Omg. A real Volunteer!

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In the big picture of that debacle those dogs are way down the list of things to get torqued about. It's bad but there was a lot that was worse.
That is very much your opinion.

Those dogs were absolutely loyal, and cost alot to train, and develop. they put complete trust in their handlers. When a group TRIED to put together a special plane to go get them, teh Biden administration stopped them. they not only abandoned them, they purposely did so. It shows a particular cruelty, and lack of respect. Anyone who ever has worked with such dogs sees them as fellow comrades. that they abandoned them, is bad, but that they actively stopped their resuce is unconscionable. It very much was like leaving servicemen in a hnager to die from heat or execution.

 
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That is very much your opinion.

Those dogs were absolutely loyal, and cost alot to train, and develop. they put complete trust in their handlers. When a group TRIED to put together a special plane to go get them, teh Biden administration stopped them. they not only abandoned them, they purposely did so. It shows a particular cruelty, and lack of respect. Anyone who ever has worked with such dogs sees them as fellow comrades. that they abandoned them, is bad, but that they actively stopped their resuce is unconscionable. It very much was like leaving servicemen in a hnager to die from heat or execution.

Dogs aren't people. Like I said, that's bad but there's a whole lot worse in that fiasco, a whole lot of killed and wounded and abandoned and betrayed humans.
 
That is very much your opinion.

Those dogs were absolutely loyal, and cost alot to train, and develop. they put complete trust in their handlers. When a group TRIED to put together a special plane to go get them, teh Biden administration stopped them. they not only abandoned them, they purposely did so. It shows a particular cruelty, and lack of respect. Anyone who ever has worked with such dogs sees them as fellow comrades. that they abandoned them, is bad, but that they actively stopped their resuce is unconscionable. It very much was like leaving servicemen in a hnager to die from heat or execution.

There are a lot of articles refuting AND affirming dogs were left behind. I read a few of those.

I have no idea how to separate fact from fiction.
 
Agreed. But you cannot leave service personnel behind to rescue the dogs (I am still not sure it actually happened though).
It absolutely did happen, and Trump even mentions this in the new Shawn Ryan interview....go watch it.

Afghanistan section at 10:15

 
It absolutely did happen, and Trump even mentions this in the new Shawn Ryan interview....go watch it.
There are a lot of articles refuting AND affirming dogs were left behind. I read a few of those.

I have no idea how to separate fact from fiction.
You have no way of confirming. You are simply trusting the "sources" you like.

Military says they weren't left behind. But I trust them even less than I trust what you post.
 
You have no way of confirming. You are simply trusting the "sources" you like.

Military says they weren't left behind. But I trust them even less than I trust what you post.
So a CiC who still gets brief as an ex president is not a trustworthy source?
 
This was a military statement, but it doesn't really absolve them. nor do they pretend they didn't leave the dogs, only that they "relocated them first" then left them. Military semantics for CYA.

 
Furthermore who were these forces they left the dogs with if not the same allies we also abandoned to the Taliban?

Military: "No we didn't abandoned them, we relocated them with same schmucks whose ass was grass for believing we had their back"
 
He is likely in a position to know.

He is a liar (just like most other politicians).
No no he's not but your brainwashed to beleive so. In fact almost everytime they have tried to call trump a liar he ends up being proven to be correct. I am not really sure why you take the positions you do, but once again you're wrong. Your need to appeal to the "center" means you tend to follow the MSM narrative.

What Happened, the followup.

 
No no he's not but your brainwashed to beleive so. In fact almost everytime they have tried to call trump a liar he ends up being proven to be correct. I am not really sure why you take the positions you do, but once again you're wrong. Your need to appeal to the "center" means you tend to follow the MSM narrative.

What Happened, the followup.

LOL.

Your delusion is hysterical.
 
Maxwell-Jones surmised that the attention given to the animals on social media amid the US exit made the Taliban view the dogs as a “bargaining chip” with Western countries that staunchly value animal well-being.


Still, that was not enough to save all the dogs.


“Early on, we got some videos of working dogs getting their noses cut off, which is hideous. But we haven’t seen any of that since,” Maxwell-Jones said. “They shot some of the spaniels. Those are very friendly, so they would have run up and [the Taliban guards] would have been scared.”


The animal activist added that the clinic had located seven of the dogs in the streets after they presumably broke free of the HKIA confinement.


“There is a possibility that [the Taliban] is shuffling some of the dogs around. They recognize German shepherds as working dogs, even though the German shepherds that were there were not working dogs,” she said. “So the Taliban kennels those. There are about 40 of them there.”


On the rare occasions that I saw the dogs, they were sitting miserably on leashes outside government buildings with armed Taliban fighters trying to look tough while clearly having no idea how to orchestrate a sniff detection.

One Taliban intelligence official told me that the Taliban have the dogs “working at the airport,” although it seems the dogs are not trained for specific security roles. Rather, it seems the dogs are there to make Taliban members look tough and well-equipped.
 
This was the direct result of how we left... I could give two Sh*** what some military press tries to say for CYA. We abandoned allies to die.

 

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