Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

[K-town Vol Fan]

He screwed up the withdrawal. People are all for getting out. But not looking like an incompetent buffoon as you exit.

What exactly is screwed up? There is no violence, people who want to leave are leaving.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I'm still trying to figure out how according to the poll, the majority of people don't care about Afghanistan, yet are still here saying how Biden has royally screwed this up. If you don't care, why does it matter?

Because we were under the assumption that this would be handled at a competent level. Even if it were impossible for the outcome to be different this Administration did a horrible job of managing expectations for the American people. They completely botched this. It’s that cut and dry.

 

[n_huffhines]

And every president since and including Bush knew this. Everyone was going to shoot holes in any failure to get something right. It's why although I didn't vote Biden nor do I support his agenda, he gets credit for actually pulling the trigger and getting us out. Administrations for the last 20 years wouldn't do it but he did.

I'm with you. Biden is inept but no matter who pulled us out, the opposition was going to go crazy and harp on the mistakes. I've literally been saying this would happen for 15 years. It's one of the reasons past guys didn't have the courage to carry this out. Inheriting a mess and passing it on diminishes culpability.

The Afghanis who were friendly to our forces are so screwed and this is by far the biggest tragedy with our departure, but few seem to really care about that. They're talking about how embarrassing this is and how it looks on the world stage, yet appear giddy that they can pin the embarrassment on Biden. Few are advocating the acceptance of more refugees, despite our moral obligations.

People who didn't care about how Trump embarrassed us internationally suddenly care about international embarrassments. Who cares what the world thinks? became what will the world think?

It's all so predictable.

 

[Zues1]

CNN has been trashing Biden.

Good, about damn time

 

[n_huffhines]

Because we were under the assumption that this would be handled at a competent level. Even if it were impossible for the outcome to be different this Administration did a horrible job of managing expectations for the American people. They completely botched this. It’s that cut and dry.

Seems like the least of problems.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Good, about damn time

I have seen more negative articles on Biden than I ever saw about Trump on Fox.

 

[Zues1]

I have seen more negative articles on Biden than I ever saw about Trump on Fox.

Okay , sure..
Again this ain't about Trump

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Seems like the least of problems.

I agree. I just think while most Americans were eager to get out Afghanistan, and agree with Biden basically saying that if the Afghanis won’t take ownership of their country we shouldn’t either, most people would have chosen a different exit than the one currently taking place.

To add to that, I doubt many thought the human atrocities that are already happening would be at the forefront so rapidly.

 

[RikidyBones]

I'm with you. Biden is inept but no matter who pulled us out, the opposition was going to go crazy and harp on the mistakes. I've literally been saying this would happen for 15 years. It's one of the reasons past guys didn't have the courage to carry this out. Inheriting a mess and passing it on diminishes culpability.

The Afghanis who were friendly to our forces are so screwed and this is by far the biggest tragedy with our departure, but few seem to really care about that. They're talking about how embarrassing this is and how it looks on the world stage, yet appear giddy that they can pin the embarrassment on Biden. Few are advocating the acceptance of more refugees, despite our moral obligations.

People who didn't care about how Trump embarrassed us internationally suddenly care about international embarrassments. Who cares what the world thinks? became what will the world think?

It's all so predictable.

I care about the afgan allies. It doesn't sit right with me that we accepted their help and then turned our backs on them. I realize the logistics of getting those people out are tremendously complicated but it should have carried a condition. "kill anyone that helped us prior to us having a chance to move them and we level everything you have" those people did a brave thing by helping a sworn enemy aka "infidels".

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Okay , sure..
Again this ain't about Trump

Just looking at the news source bias you guys always claim.

And yes, Trump contributed to this sh!t sandwich, just like Obama and Bush before him. This is not some simple issue where the blame lies solely with one man despite everyone's desire to make it so.

 

[allvol123]

What exactly is screwed up? There is no violence, people who want to leave are leaving.

Wtf....

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I care about the afgan allies. It doesn't sit right with me that we accepted their help and then turned our backs on them. I realize the logistics of getting those people out are tremendously complicated but it should have carried a condition. "kill anyone that helped us prior to us having a chance to move them and we level everything you have" those people did a brave thing by helping a sworn enemy aka "infidels".

How did you feel when we abandoned the Kurds?

 

[RikidyBones]

How did you feel when we abandoned the Kurds?

The same. I've wondered if we are the bad guys for awhile now. There's been a narrative that we abandon allies for awhile now. I'd like that to stop.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

The same. I've wondered if we are the bad guys for awhile now. There's been a narrative that we abandon allies for awhile now. I'd like that to stop.

Our allies left Afghanistan years ago.

 

[RikidyBones]

What exactly is screwed up? There is no violence, people who want to leave are leaving.

Wrong. People were being pulled out of their homes and executed by the Taliban. But go off.

 

[RikidyBones]

Our allies left Afghanistan years ago.

The European ones, yes. The people who couldn't just pull out to pull out didn't.

 

[Mccage]

One question that needs to be reported....Where are all the women at the airport? Hard to support someone who leaves their wife, daughters, sisters behind while trying to safe their own neck.

 

[lawgator1]

The two biggest failures here were 1) overestimating the degree to which the Afghan army and government would resist the Taliban, and 2) underestimating the speed with which the Taliban would take over.

Both errors were severe.

 

[05_never_again]

And now China is using this as propaganda telling Taiwan that the US will abandon them as well when war breaks out. This is a cluster.

Our adversaries have said this for decades, at least since Vietnam.

 

[KB5252]

What exactly is screwed up? There is no violence, people who want to leave are leaving.

There is plenty of violence, targeted killings have already begun.

 

[n_huffhines]

One question that needs to be reported....Where are all the women at the airport? Hard to support someone who leaves their wife, daughters, sisters behind while trying to safe their own neck.

Easy for you to say with your western privilege. Who is at most risk of retribution? The men, or the women? Who is going to be a better anchor to get established and bring the family to a new country? Culturally, in Afghanistan's case, I'm thinking it's the men.

My ancestors from Arkansas hid from Confederate conscription in Missouri and left the women and teenage boys to run the family farm. I'm sure some douchey northerners looked at them and asked "Where are all the women? Left behind while the men safe their own neck."

 

[05_never_again]

The same. I've wondered if we are the bad guys for awhile now. There's been a narrative that we abandon allies for awhile now. I'd like that to stop.

"There is no such thing as permanent friends or permanent enemies —there are only permanent interests."
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[hog88]

Somehow a video got out that may show a body that was stuck in the wheel well while in flight. Not a good look, and I'm sure the Air Force will not be happy that it got out.

I'm sure there is some AF reg about taking off with passengers outside the aircraft.

 

[utvolpj]

The two biggest failures here were 1) overestimating the degree to which the Afghan army and government would resist the Taliban, and 2) underestimating the speed with which the Taliban would take over.

Both errors were severe.

Both were predicted and looks like they were ignored. The biggest error is believing there is truly a country of Afghanistan and that anyone takes pride in it. It's just tribes fighting for control

 

[hog88]

And now China is using this as propaganda telling Taiwan that the US will abandon them as well when war breaks out. This is a cluster.

You knew they would. All of our adversaries will be using this as propaganda.