Tankers Attacked In Gulf: Price of Oil Up

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carlos86 said:
The one to the left it the aircraft following
The right is the drone.
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I see,.. So they were pretty much on the same route. Was curious if the coordinates on the trailing aircrafts telemetry were those of the drone or of the aircraft following. Seems it would be of the one following.
 
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Stew Cook said:
I see,.. So they were pretty much on the same route. Was curious if the coordinates on the trailing aircrafts telemetry were those of the drone or of the aircraft following. Seems it would be of the one following.
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Due to the territorial boundaries they have to fly that dogleg pattern right down the middle of the channel. Even with that you will see the MQ-4 was in Oman airspace at times
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Due to the territorial boundaries they have to fly that dogleg pattern right down the middle of the channel. Even with that you will see the MQ-4 was in Oman airspace at times
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OK, I see the difference in the positions now.. I was thinking that the GPS data on the vid cap, might be a locked target location. Would be interesting to see what the drone was transmitting.
 
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carlos86 said:
Well I got the grid coordinates

25:57:42N
56:50:22E

Far away from the Iranian coast.

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Ok I’ve digested all the symbology now. The P-8 was a little over 2 nmi east of the MQ-4 (just going from the two coordinates). At the screen bottom the target bearing is at 277 for 4.2 nmi which is due West so the P-8 was even closer to Iran but still in international waters.
 
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Stew Cook said:
OK, I see the difference in the positions now.. I was thinking that the GPS data on the vid cap, might be a locked target location. Would be interesting to see what the drone was transmitting.
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See my post just below yours. The MQ-4 was farther away from Iran than the P-8
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Also in the video symbology you have the aircraft coordinates listed which are a tad different but close to carlos’s

25:57:27N
57:52:39E

It’s a difference of 2 minutes of latitude which is 2 nautical miles but still puts the MQ-4 in international airspace.
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If we have to get down to whether something is in international waters or not by ÷/- 2 mins, then the drone is too damn close in this narrow stretch in the gulf. Of course we are trying to be provocative.
 
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carlos86 said:
Think about this. If Iran targets the P-8 and not the drone, we are at war.
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My goodness... it's like you are getting a woody over the possibility of us going to war. That drone, nor any of our other assets belong in that area stirring up trouble.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If we have to get down to whether something is in international waters or not by ÷/- 2 mins, then the drone is too damn close in this narrow stretch in the gulf. Of course we are trying to be provocative.
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Nope. They knew where they where and the targeting radar knew where they were. 2 nmi is a huge margin in this era.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Sure they do
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No need for us to be poking around over there. We are just trying to provoke something. No different than two little kids playing with each other and one kid waves his hands two inches from the other kid's face and says, "I'm not touching you... I'm not touching you". Just playing to many childish games when innocent lives are at risk... on both sides.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Nope. They knew where they where and the targeting radar knew where they were. 2 nmi is a huge margin in this era.
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And again, in a region that close, how are you able to definitely say whether that drone did or did not cross over into Iranian airspace? All you have to go on is US intelligence vs Iranian intelligence... he said/she said.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No need for us to be poking around over there. We are just trying to provoke something. No different than two little kids playing with each other and one kid waves his hands two inches from the other kid's face and says, "I'm not touching you... I'm not touching you". Just playing to many childish games when innocent lives are at risk... on both sides.
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Just because they are irritating your Persian buddies is no reason for our forces to not operate in international airspace. It’s simple.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Nope. They knew where they where and the targeting radar knew where they were. 2 nmi is a huge margin in this era.
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Again, you are probably looking at one moment in time. What about the moments leading up to the shoot down? Was it in Iranian territory then?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And again, in a region that close, how are you able to definitely say whether that drone did or did not cross over into Iranian airspace? All you have to go on is US intelligence vs Iranian intelligence... he said/she said.
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Because it flies via military GPS aiding INS on a preprogrammed plan. They would have had to program it to do that. They were in international airspace.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Just because they are irritating your Persian buddies is no reason for our forces to not operate in international airspace. It’s simple.
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Operating in one of the narrowest corridors with a country we have hostile relations with. That is provocation. We are hoping to get a response from them to legitimize going to war. No need for any of these measures.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Operating in one of the narrowest corridors with a country we have hostile relations with. That is provocation. We are hoping to get a response from them to legitimize going to war. No need for any of these measures.
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Nope. They were doing what they’ve done for years. Iran is the one who changed their behavior.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Because it flies via military GPS aiding INS on a preprogrammed plan. They would have had to program it to do that. They were in international airspace.
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How do we know they didn't fly into Iranian airspace by design? Don't give me this nonsense about high tech trajectories and such. All you are doing is parroting what you've been told by them. It is very well within the realm of possibility that the drone could have easily drifted into Iranian airspace at some point leading up to the shootdown.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Preprogrammed flight plan. Yeah I know. We purposely programmed it to violate their airspace 🙄
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It isn't outside of the realm of possibility. Or, it could have drifted in their airspace.

You will just eat anything the military feeds to you. You need to have a healthy level of cynicism. It is clear that our motive is to be provocative and make it as though Iran initiated actions that will lead us to a conflict.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Nope. They were doing what they’ve done for years. Iran is the one who changed their behavior.
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They changed their behavior because they were provoked by the US's sanctions imposed on them.

It was always going to come to a head.

We're trying to get a rise out of Iran so that we can justify a war to plunder and rape them for their oil and natural gas resources.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How do we know they didn't fly into Iranian airspace by design? Don't give me this nonsense about high tech trajectories and such. All you are doing is parroting what you've been told by them. It is very well within the realm of possibility that the drone could have easily drifted into Iranian airspace at some point leading up to the shootdown.
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This is what you look like right now.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How do we know they didn't fly into Iranian airspace by design? Don't give me this nonsense about high tech trajectories and such. All you are doing is parroting what you've been told by them. It is very well within the realm of possibility that the drone could have easily drifted into Iranian airspace at some point leading up to the shootdown.
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I know EXACTLY what I’m talking about in all of this. You’re parroting RT or Sputnik if anybody is parroting here.
 
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Matt2496 said:
They changed their behavior because they were provoked by the US's sanctions imposed on them.

It was always going to come to a head.

We're trying to get a rise out of Iran so that we can justify a war to plunder and rape them for their oil and natural gas resources.
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No we aren’t we are not going to invade Iran over any of this.
 
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