Team Rankings (Recruiting)

#76
#76
Phillip Fulmer isn't a good coach? Are you smokin crack? He isn't the DEAN of SEC coaches for nothing. He has a winning% around .700 or so and a National Championship. He and Tom Osbourne are the ONLY coaches in NCAA history to lead their team to bowl games in each of their first FOURTEEN years. 14 in a row from year one. Come on guys. Yall must have been on the "Fire Phil Bandwagon" this year. He is a good coach,good recruiter and gives one hell of a pregame speech.

The difference between Vols present team tallent and the past is for multiple reasons. First being the wealth of coaching in the SEC. Phil,Spurrier,Meyer,Richt,Tubberville,Saban,Nutt and Miles. Back in the day, players wanting to play in the NFL would chose between UT,Miami or FSU all NFL factories. Now the landscape has changed immensely. Saban is like Bear Bryant...getting the best team money can buy. Sign your LOI son......Okay here's you keys to your Escalade.

I feel that CPF completed one of his finest years of coaching in 2007. Our entire secondary was depleted,with the exception of Heffney. Inkys shoulder injury,D Morley dismissed,Marsalous Johnson couldn't cover my grandma ,we started a TRUE Freshman and converted ,in my opinion, our best potential WR Brent Vinson to DB.

We lost considerable depth at the D-line before this year as well. In 2006 all I read was how Bolden was inconsistent and will never be good enough. A year later with no depth at DT and he is a starter. That speaks volumes to me about our D-line. You guys need to quit forming your opinion from what the papers and talk shows are saying. This CPF sucks and fire CPF stuff is garbage. I bet you ALL would KISS HIS ASS if you actually got face time with him.
 
#77
#77
sjt18 said:
He practices them well and develops players decently well.
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Here is where I must disagree. I went to a summer 2005 practice and was thoroughly unimpressed. It looked like 100 or so guys just having fun ought there for a few hours. Guys were dropping balls left and right and no one seemed to care even the slightest bit. Cutcliffe even said during his time between the ND hiring and the UT hiring that he went to a few practices and was appauled at how the offense behaved. I hope that this season either Clawson keeps things under control or Fulmer changes his style.
 
#78
#78
Give Him Six! said:
Phillip Fulmer isn't a good coach? Are you smokin crack?
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This is a very widely held belief. Performances like the one against Penn State last year bolster this reputation. Sjt is one of the biggest Fulmer supporters on this site, by the way.
 
#79
#79
kptvol said:
This is a very widely held belief. Performances like the one against Penn State last year bolster this reputation. Sjt is one of the biggest Fulmer supporters on this site, by the way.
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We would've beat PSU if it weren't for fumblitis and poor tackling execution. Coaching wasn't the determining factor in that bowl loss.
 
#80
#80
Give Him Six! said:
We would've beat PSU if it weren't for fumblitis and poor tackling execution. Coaching wasn't the determining factor in that bowl loss.
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The offensive output that day was pathetic regardless of the fumbling. We looked terrible for four quarters. Lamarcus Coker had a huge run. Beyond that, half the posters on this site wouldn't have done much worse calling plays.
 
#81
#81
kptvol said:
The offensive output that day was pathetic regardless of the fumbling. We looked terrible for four quarters. Lamarcus Coker had a huge run. Beyond that, half the posters on this site wouldn't have done much worse calling plays.
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If you call 350 yards total offense pathetic then I guess you're a Spurrier fan. 2006 Facts.......UT 350 total off PSU 380.Turnovers.............. UT 2 PSU 0.Score.......... PSU 20 UT 10..
 
#82
#82
Give Him Six! said:
If you call 350 yards total offense pathetic then I guess you're a Spurrier fan. 2006 Facts.......UT 350 total off PSU 380.Turnovers.............. UT 2 PSU 0.Score.......... PSU 20 UT 10..
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350 yards. Vanderbilt averaged 330 ypg game this season. That worked out great for them. 350 yards is not impressive. If we'd tried to score points, we could have afforded to have a few mistakes and still managed to win. The gameplans against Bama and Florida this season were more recent examples of Fulmer's gameday abilities.

If you want more evidence, look at the offensive output in 2007 from the first half of games to the second half. It's dramatically lower in the second half. It just goes to show other teams are making adjustments and UT is not. The Vol offense was shut out in the second half three times this season.
 
#83
#83
kptvol said:
350 yards. Vanderbilt averaged 330 ypg game this season. That worked out great for them. 350 yards is not impressive. If we'd tried to score points, we could have afforded to have a few mistakes and still managed to win. The gameplans against Bama and Florida this season were more recent examples of Fulmer's gameday abilities.

If you want more evidence, look at the offensive output in 2007 from the first half of games to the second half. It's dramatically lower in the second half. It just goes to show other teams are making adjustments and UT is not. The Vol offense was shut out in the second half three times this season.
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I didn't say 350 yards was impressive. You stated that our offense was pathetic against PSU. I feel 350 yards is not a pathetic output.

Yes I agree that our play has been lackluster at times this year. We were very young this year and most Sr players like Xavier mitchell, Antonio Reynolds,J.T. Mapu,Brad Cottham and Jarod Parrish were average at best.

Go ahead and join the "Fire CPF Bandwagon". Next year when we beat Florida,Georgia,Auburn and Bama you will be singing his praises.
 
#84
#84
Give Him Six! said:
I didn't say 350 yards was impressive. You stated that our offense was pathetic against PSU. I feel 350 yards is not a pathetic output.

Yes I agree that our play has been lackluster at times this year. We were very young this year and most Sr players like Xavier mitchell, Antonio Reynolds,J.T. Mapu,Brad Cottham and Jarod Parrish were average at best.

Go ahead and join the "Fire CPF Bandwagon". Next year when we beat Florida,Georgia,Auburn and Bama you will be singing his praises.
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Brad Cottam played pretty good when he was healthy.
 
#87
#87
People who want Fulmer fired are people who will never be given leadership over anything more than their yoga class at the Y.
 
#88
#88
Give Him Six! said:
We were very young this year
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Erik Ainge - Senior
Arian Foster - RS Junior
Lucas Taylor - Junior
Austin Rogers - RS Soph
Josh Briscoe - Junior
Chris Brown - Senior
Brad Cottam - Senior
Anthony Parker - RS Junior
Eric Young - RS Senior
Josh McNeil - RS Soph
Ramon Foster - RS Junior
Chris Scott - RS Soph

Xavier Mitchell - Senior
Demonte Bolden - Junior
JT Mapu - RS Senior
Robert Ayers - RS Junior
Antonio Reynolds - Senior
Ryan Karl - Senior
Jerod Mayo - RS Junior
Rico McCoy - RS Soph
Jon Hefney - Senior
Jarod Parish - Senior
Antonio Gaines - RS Senior
Marsalous Johnson - RS Soph

That's a team with a lot of older players even though a couple of them didn't play the entire season. Youth was not an issue last season. In most cases, if a young player was on the field it was because there were several older players at his position that were not capable of playing at the SEC level.
 
#89
#89
VolunteerHillbilly said:
:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:
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Hillbilly, your lol response to my post is typical of most vol fans. Alot of vol fans are pesamists and some fairweather fans. I feel you must represent one of those categories. It urks me to hears all the babbling bafoons booing CPF at our games. He has brought alot to the table for UT.

I truly feel we have a great opportunity to beat the teams I mentioned above. We are returning our entire O-line that allowed an NCAA low 4 sacks all year. We are also returning every skill player with the exception of Ainge. Oneil and Jones should play a more integral mpart in the offense this year giving us world class speed on the outside. Clawson sais he would be getting the ball in the hands of his playmakers.

The addition of Morley, Brent Vinson playing at 100% and Berry should give us the best Def backfield in the SEC and probably the country. Ben Martin should be a beast now that he will be fully healthy.

I feel that I am a vol fan thru and thru and beleive we will be great.
 
#90
#90
kptvol said:
Sjt is one of the biggest Fulmer supporters on this site, by the way.
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Actually that isn't even true. I have consistently said here and elsewhere that 2005 was his baseline and that he should have to steadily improve to a championship from there or should "retire".

OTOH, I don't deny good things or bad things about the guy. His leadership failures and lack of discipline got him into the mess of 2005... and it had been building for years.

He does some things well. He does some things poorly. Even the things he can do well slipped during the early 00's... that doesn't mean he lost the ability to do them well.

I never said nor do I believe that CPF should be allowed to backslide or even plateau. His task isn't easy but the standard shouldn't be lowered.

FTR, there is no benefit to anyone in the persistent griping of some or the delusional denial that the guy has ability or is a good coach. I don't really care if he's "good"... all that matters is whether he's effective... and that should ONLY be judged as the facts come in. Negative assumptions by people who have already made a conclusion aren't FACTS.
 
#91
#91
kptvol said:
Erik Ainge - Senior
Arian Foster - RS Junior
Lucas Taylor - Junior
Austin Rogers - RS Soph
Josh Briscoe - Junior
Chris Brown - Senior
Brad Cottam - Senior
Anthony Parker - RS Junior
Eric Young - RS Senior
Josh McNeil - RS Soph
Ramon Foster - RS Junior
Chris Scott - RS Soph

Xavier Mitchell - Senior
Demonte Bolden - Junior
JT Mapu - RS Senior
Robert Ayers - RS Junior
Antonio Reynolds - Senior
Ryan Karl - Senior
Jerod Mayo - RS Junior
Rico McCoy - RS Soph
Jon Hefney - Senior
Jarod Parish - Senior
Antonio Gaines - RS Senior
Marsalous Johnson - RS Soph

That's a team with a lot of older players even though a couple of them didn't play the entire season. Youth was not an issue last season. In most cases, if a young player was on the field it was because there were several older players at his position that were not capable of playing at the SEC level.
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that wasn't even close to our lineup.
 
#92
#92
ThisIsWhyImHot said:
that wasn't even close to our lineup.
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Good thing I didn't say that was our lineup. I merely showed that there were older players available at every position. All those guys had significant playing time this season. Granted, Cottam, Gaines, Johnson, and Young were hurt for a good portion.

The fact that Eric Berry started didn't mean we were young at the safety position, it just meant that Sinclair Cannon and Jarod Parrish weren't ready to play after being on campus for four years.

And yes, if you look at the starting roster for the Cal game, almost every player I've listed was there.
 
#93
#93
kptvol, your roster was a little skewed to favor your point. UT was young. They lost only 17 players or so and return only 16 Srs. Of those you list as starters, Young was hurt for much of the run on the East. Cottam played only a few games. Mapu might have technically been a starter but there is little question that Williams and maybe even Fisher player better and were more valuable.

Gaines? Parrish? Come on.
 
#94
#94
First of all, it wasn't a roster. It was a list of guys on offense and defense that were older and played a lot. Gaines and Parrish had significant PT. Regardless, one of our weakest units, the DL, was comprised of three seniors and a junior.

I still don't buy the argument that UT was young. We weren't any younger than any other SEC team. You are always going to have a few young players on your team. UT has been using the youth excuse for too many consecutive years.
 
#95
#95
we were pretty damn young. Rogan, Vinson, Berry, Marsalous Johnson (sophomores aren't old FYI), Frazier, Ben Martin, all were young. Nevin McKenzie was in his first year of big time football.
 
#96
#96
I'm not making any excuses. UF was probably a little younger than UT. UGA was a little older and got better contributions from their upperclassmen.

It is a coach's job to figure the puzzle out and win.

My contention is that the quality of UT's upperclassmen this past year wasn't at the level that its been in the past. Their most talented players were/are young. Your statement about the DL supports this notion.

33 Jrs/Srs out of 85 isn't an old team by any stretch. 40% upper classmen, 60% underclassmen.

As I mentioned, UT will start this season with about 16 Srs, 19 Jrs, 19 Sophs, and 31 Freshmen. That's slightly older but not much. However alot of these underclassmen have already been contributors now.
 
#97
#97
ThisIsWhyImHot said:
we were pretty damn young. Rogan, Vinson, Berry, Marsalous Johnson (sophomores aren't old FYI), Frazier, Ben Martin, all were young. Nevin McKenzie was in his first year of big time football.
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You forgot DeAngelo Willingham in there too. It was his first year of SEC play.

Martin and Frazier did little more than special teams though, so them being young doesn't really add anything.
 
#98
#98
ThisIsWhyImHot said:
we were pretty damn young. Rogan, Vinson, Berry, Marsalous Johnson (sophomores aren't old FYI), Frazier, Ben Martin, all were young. Nevin McKenzie was in his first year of big time football.
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Marsalous was in his third year in the program. He's hardly a youngster at that point. Savion Frazier and Ben Martin didn't play enough to merit consideration.
 
#99
#99
sjt18 said:
I'm not making any excuses. UF was probably a little younger than UT. UGA was a little older and got better contributions from their upperclassmen.

It is a coach's job to figure the puzzle out and win.

My contention is that the quality of UT's upperclassmen this past year wasn't at the level that its been in the past. Their most talented players were/are young. Your statement about the DL supports this notion.

33 Jrs/Srs out of 85 isn't an old team by any stretch. 40% upper classmen, 60% underclassmen.

As I mentioned, UT will start this season with about 16 Srs, 19 Jrs, 19 Sophs, and 31 Freshmen. That's slightly older but not much. However alot of these underclassmen have already been contributors now.
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UGA had 3 freshmen on the OL. That's young in a very key spot.
 
#100
#100
kptvol said:
Erik Ainge - Senior
Arian Foster - RS Junior
Lucas Taylor - Junior
Austin Rogers - RS Soph
Josh Briscoe - Junior
Chris Brown - Senior
Brad Cottam - Senior
Anthony Parker - RS Junior
Eric Young - RS Senior
Josh McNeil - RS Soph
Ramon Foster - RS Junior
Chris Scott - RS Soph

Xavier Mitchell - Senior
Demonte Bolden - Junior
JT Mapu - RS Senior
Robert Ayers - RS Junior
Antonio Reynolds - Senior
Ryan Karl - Senior
Jerod Mayo - RS Junior
Rico McCoy - RS Soph
Jon Hefney - Senior
Jarod Parish - Senior
Antonio Gaines - RS Senior
Marsalous Johnson - RS Soph

That's a team with a lot of older players even though a couple of them didn't play the entire season. Youth was not an issue last season. In most cases, if a young player was on the field it was because there were several older players at his position that were not capable of playing at the SEC level.
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We were young at many positions early on with Berry,McCoy,McClendon,McNeil,Scott,Williams and Rogers all being starters or significant playing time early on while only being Sophomores and Freshman. As the season moved on players like Vinson,Wardlow,Rogan,Hancock,Creer,Davis,Jones and Moore made impacts and forced their way onto the playing field. Fulmer has said that this is probably on of the most atheletically gifted classes he has had in a long time. Ainge said Crompton has inherited one heck of a team next year. KPT you should officially forfeit your VN Guru under your name.
 
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