Techno-fascism

#51
#51
n_huffhines said:
How much time, effort, and $ would it take to launch this nefarious plan? Just think about how much they would need to pour into researching the efficacy of it.
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Really lucky for them that they happened to capture 89% of the market, too.
 
#53
#53
ajvol01 said:
What do you suggest over YouTube?

You do realize Google is much much bigger than just the search engine, don’t you?

Until there is viable competition, these companies have much more power to influence American elections than foreign countries ever did.

It’s censorship combined with mind control (search suggestions) to try to achieve their desired outcome.

Infuriating.

YouTube has no real competition.
Twitter has no real competition.
Facebook has no real competition.

Suggesting someone use BING instead of Google is ignoring the larger problem.

These are communication platforms, not just “private companies”.
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Stop using facebook. Stop using youtube. Stop using twitter. They have market power because people use them. You don't have to use them. Nobody has to use them. What happens to you if you stop using facebook?

If youtube is as bad as everybody fears, then there is a huge business opportunity here. Youtube doesn't have some special business model, and there are alternatives. If youtube takes down your video, there are literally thousands of ways to get the same information out there. Do you know how easy it is to make your own website?
 
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#55
n_huffhines said:
OP is about Google opposing Trump. You went from something completely plausible to totally ridiculous. How does reprogramming me bring about their social utopia? What is their social utopia?
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The title is about Trump. The video being linked is about WAY more than Trump. It is about censorship and corporate initiatives which resemble social engineering.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Stop using facebook. Stop using youtube. Stop using twitter. They have market power because people use them. You don't have to use them. Nobody has to use them. What happens to you if you stop using facebook?

If youtube is as bad as everybody fears, then there is a huge business opportunity here. Youtube doesn't have some special business model, and there are alternatives. If youtube takes down your video, there are literally thousands of ways to get the same information out there. Do you know how easy it is to make your own website?
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It kind of is this simple.

What bugs me is the plot of people who do nothing but complain about "big business" while living on their iphone and apps and using the very things that make these"big businesses" wealthy and powerful. Dolts. "Yeah, raise the corporate tax rate to over 50%...."..........."why did my phone bill double?...."
 
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n_huffhines said:
How much time, effort, and $ would it take to launch this nefarious plan? Just think about how much they would need to pour into researching the efficacy of it.
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I'm sure Google has a couple of extra dollars laying around to help fund a modest research project.
 
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tennvols77 said:
It kind of is this simple.

What bugs me is the plot of people who do nothing but complain about "big business" while living on their iphone and apps and using the very things that make these"big businesses" wealthy and powerful. Dolts. "Yeah, raise the corporate tax rate to over 50%...."..........."why did my phone bill double?...."
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If you don't like TVA, just build your own power plant!

If you don't like Monsanto, stop complaining and grow your own damn garden to feed your whole family.

Good practical advice. We can't complain unless we are willing to quit our jobs and work full time towards fixing the thing that is irritating us.
 
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#63
SamRebel35 said:
I'm sure Google has a couple of extra dollars laying around to help fund a modest research project.
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Google doesn't have a "couple extra dollars laying around" because they pursue nonsensical, ludicrous, and vague plans for shaping society into an unobtainable utopia at the expense of their own business. They're not dumb. This is like a plot in a bad James Bond movie. Even dumber.

Let's go back to the basis for this whole social utopia conspiracy theory conversation...why would Google pursue a costly and complicated objective to their own detriment that has almost no chance of working? Is that more plausible than Google's auto-complete simply generating clickbait based on machine-learning? Just think about which scenario is more likely. Think about which scenario makes more sense. If we're still on opposing sides, I don't think there is anything left to be said.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
If you don't like TVA, just build your own power plant!

If you don't like Monsanto, stop complaining and grow your own damn garden to feed your whole family.

Good practical advice. We can't complain unless we are willing to quit our jobs and work full time towards fixing the thing that is irritating us.
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Yeah, because youtube is totally comparable to electricity, guy who couldn't stand the thought of a baker being compared to Google.
 
#65
#65
SamRebel35 said:
If you don't like TVA, just build your own power plant!

If you don't like Monsanto, stop complaining and grow your own damn garden to feed your whole family.

Good practical advice. We can't complain unless we are willing to quit our jobs and work full time towards fixing the thing that is irritating us.
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It will take a conglomerate of companies to try and tussle with Google. I want free market, and the government out of everything.

Read my other posts here.

"one thing that will allow for a monopoly ruling is the inability of anyone being able to match the power of cash and market saturation of any company trying to compete with Google. Also, if it can be proven that Google has become an arm of the government and gained dominance in market share because of the government, there might be a case."

But, I don't rely on the corrupt government, who if they did have their hand in the cookie jar, to rule to take their hand out of the cookie jar.

Unfortunatley or fortunatley, it's up to someone or a group of someones to figure out how to unseat the goliath. Depending on the government to do it is not possible.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Google doesn't have a "couple extra dollars laying around" because they pursue nonsensical, ludicrous, and vague plans for shaping society into an unobtainable utopia at the expense of their own business. They're not dumb. This is like a plot in a bad James Bond movie. Even dumber.

Let's go back to the basis for this whole social utopia conspiracy theory conversation...why would Google pursue a costly and complicated objective to their own detriment that has almost no chance of working? Is that more plausible than Google's auto-complete simply generating clickbait based on machine-learning? Just think about which scenario is more likely. Think about which scenario makes more sense. If we're still on opposing sides, I don't think there is anything left to be said.
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And what is Twitter's excuse for their selective banning based on merits of wokeness? Can't use your click bait theory for that.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, because youtube is totally comparable to electricity, guy who couldn't stand the thought of a baker being compared to Google.
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But Google is bigger and more powerful than TVA or Southern Company. Tiffany's Bakery on 7th Ave. isn't.
 
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#68
Sam, understand I use firefox, search very little, and this site is the only site I visit. Not kidding. I am the anomaly. I don't have an iphone (just a simple phone avoid all things except talk and text), don't do twitter or facebook or anything. I'm not responsible for any of this mess.

The people, consumer, has played a major role in this, more so than the government in my opinion.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
And what is Twitter's excuse for their selective banning based on merits of wokeness? Can't use your click bait theory for that.
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How is this comparable? I believe that Twitter wants to censor certain kinds of content that they don't want on their platform. What is implausible about that? The fact that this happens is not evidence that they are trying to mind control their way to a social utopia. The fact that this exists has no bearing on the click bait explanation of Google results.
 
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#70
SamRebel35 said:
But Google is bigger and more powerful than TVA or Southern Company. Tiffany's Bakery on 7th Ave. isn't.
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Why is that?* And why is that a reason to....I don't even know what you're suggesting...regulate them more?

*because they are good at what they do and TVA is not
 
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SamRebel35 said:
I don't know. Monopolies are a tricky subject in the first place. Anti trust laws have a habit of cementing existing monopolies instead of breaking them up. But I think we should at least start to acknowledge what Google, Twitter, Facebook, etc. actually are. They are modern day tech monopolies over social media/ information distribution. They have disproportionate influence over the information we get to see on a daily basis.
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I'm not suggesting anything other than to start calling Silicon Valley what it actually (or at least practically) is. A conglomeration of separate companies that form a practical monopoly on distribution of information. We disagree that they work together. To me, there are clearly similar agendas between the companies, and the linked video is evidence that Google practices censorship and social engineering. No mention in the video of prioritizing based on click bait.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Why is that?* And why is that a reason to....I don't even know what you're suggesting...regulate them more?

*because they are good at what they do and TVA is not
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Please see my response above. I tried to multi quote but messed up.
 
#73
#73
SamRebel35 said:
I'm not suggesting anything other than to start calling Silicon Valley what it actually (or at least practically) is. A conglomeration of separate companies that form a practical monopoly on distribution of information. We disagree that they work together. To me, there are clearly similar agendas between the companies, and the linked video is evidence that Google practices censorship and social engineering. No mention in the video of prioritizing based on click bait.
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I can cite at least one example of them all colluding together to silence an opposition voice. (First name starts with an A and ends with X)
 
#74
#74
SamRebel35 said:
I'm not suggesting anything other than to start calling Silicon Valley what it actually (or at least practically) is. A conglomeration of separate companies that form a practical monopoly on distribution of information. We disagree that they work together. To me, there are clearly similar agendas between the companies, and the linked video is evidence that Google practices censorship and social engineering. No mention in the video of prioritizing based on click bait.
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This is why I only peruse VN. I can trust the information and feel at ease there is no agenda.

BTW, yall like how Gruden is running the programl?
 
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