Tennessee considers withholding monoclonal antibody treatment from vaccinated citizens

[norrislakevol]

The % of beds is not a static number, but they currently account for every covid+ designated unit bed. We just turned two storage rooms into covid+ patient rooms.

It’s not a pandemic of the unvaccinated, it’s a pandemic in which the majority of the seriously ill are unvaccinated, and a pandemic being exacerbated by the unvaccinated.

It's not all black and white. Yes, 2/3rds of my family member who were vaxxed got sick anyways.....not bad sick (save one), but they still had symptoms. It's likely that the vaccine kept them from being worse off. My co-worker, as well as my sister and her 3 kids and husband all had the original strain. They were all fairly sick except for the kids who obviously are more resilient. This new variant comes along and some of them catch it, but they are not nearly as sick. More cold symptoms than anything.....which is what you would expect. I caught the Delta variant and have just now come close to full recovery. I didn't catch the original strain so I was pretty sick......like a bad flu. If the next variant comes along I expect to be less symptomatic if I have any symptoms at all.

I guess what I am trying to say is that once everyone has been exposed to one of the strains through natural infection or by getting vaccinated then hospital beds will naturally empty out over time because people simply won't get as sick when they catch a new variant. It'll just be like the common cold, which 20 percent of cold viruses are corona viruses anyways.

 

[joevol33]

The unvaccinated (who are not otherwise CONCLUSIVELY inoculated) that have “done the research” and “evaluated their risk” need to stop showing up at the ED with shortness of breath and sudden loss of taste & smell. You evaluated your risk, now keep your a** at home and take cough syrup and leave the ED beds for old ladies who broke their hips and heart attacks.

Then if you have high blood pressure, and eat the wrong food and have issues, then you stay home. If you have heart issues/cholesterol, and eat bad and have a heart attack, then you stay home. If you drink, and have liver issues, then you shouldn't be allowed to see a Dr, you knew the risks. Same if you get drunk, and have an accident, you should be refused service, and not take up hospital space, because you knew the risks. Same for diabetics, smoking and cancer, or chewing. I could go on, but I won't. Who exactly do you think you are to decide who gets treatment medically,and for what? There are people who medically can't take the vaccine, and you have zero right to judge any situation, especially over your stupid politics.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

How about only dispensing the resources to the people that contribute the most to the tax base?

That would be my going to a no insurance cash only for medical services system.

 

[LouderVol]

It’s the American Medical Association survey, and it’s from June, so the % has only gone up from 96%. I’m assuming instead of refuting the actual information you’ll try to poo poo the source in some (not so) creative way, good luck with that, you can argue with yourself lol

I am saying this is already a conversation we have had. There are way way more than 300 MDs in the greater Atlanta area. Not even counting those directly working for the CDC.

Grady Health | Atlanta's Grady Hospital + 6 Neighborhood Centers.

Heck just one hospital system has over 3000, so you are barely doing 10% of ONE hospital system. That's hardly representative for the nation.

And IIRC one of the doctors here pointed put they are a weighted group to check, one that leans "left"

 

[LouderVol]

I agree with you, it’s an important treatment. I have unvaccinated friends that benefited from it, they also regretted making the decision not to get vaccinated.

Where was the guarentee they wouldnt have needed the treatment if they were vaxxed? You/them are making some pretty big assumptions.

 

[Carp]

As you and other liberals have stated for months, the vaccine is the answer.

Vaccinated people have nothing to worry about and don’t need the treatment.

As I've been told for months, the only people that need to worry COVID are the people at risk (elderly, obese, and immuno-compromised). So you have nothing to worry about if you're young and relatively healthy, regardless of vaccination status, and therefore don't need the treatment.

 

[LouderVol]

The difference here being that the refusal to treat isn't for moral objections, it's because there's not enough medicine to go around.

Because of federal government based rationing.....

I like how they never seem to come up in this conversation. It's all victim blaming the antivaxxers for dressing slutty for Covid.

Amazing how the H4A crowd so quickly turns their back on fellow man.

 

[Carp]

Let's start down this road, should smokers be refused lung cancer treatment or how about drinkers refused liver transplants? Or, or people that can't pay for treatment refused treatment period?

I mean this does happen (to an extent). Organ transplants are distributed based on lots of factors such as age, condition, time they've had the condition, other health conditions, etc. If you are older and in poor health condition to begin with (heart disease, diabetes, etc). You are likely to be on the waiting list a pretty long time than if you are younger and in good health).

So if lung cancer treatment medicine became scarce, smokers would likely be refused treatment over a non-smoker.

 

[LouderVol]

Agreed. There are instances such as women giving birth to drug dependent neonates, prisoners who have done terrible things, parents who have abused their children… that I absolutely do not want to deal with but I must, as do you and the rest of us. Included in this group is people who chose not to get the covid vaccine as part of a political statement and then show up to crowd our ICUs and covid units making the strain of being understaffed and over ratio that much worse and syphoning care from others who are more responsible.

My region has just recently reduced to maximum age for someone that can receive ECMO to 35. That means if you’re over 35 we no longer have the resources to provide this often life-saving treatment for you because most of these resources are going to unvaccinated covid patients.

If you experience this day after day, week after week then you start to become plain p*ssed off for the patients that could use the help, and any rationally knowledgeable person knows that the larger the unvaccinated/unprotected population is the faster these variants will develop and the longer these severe outbreaks will last.

You clearly only care about compliance. There are plenty of risk factors for Covid beyond vaccination. If you were consistent you would be railing against all those resource hogs as well.

Do you also judge the obese? They are a specifc drain on resources, including Covid. Think of all the treatment they are obsorbing from otherwise more healthy patients.

The elderly? Huge resource drain and obviously the leading group for issues in Covid regardless of vaccination status.

Other risk factors like smokers and high BP?

No just the vaccine? It's amazing you say you care about health at all. You only care about compliance, and you prove it time and again.

 

[LouderVol]

Except a lot of smokers know what they're doing is unhealthful.

And not being vaxxed doesnt make one unhealthy or a drain.

And being vaxxed doesnt make one healthy or not a drain.

The only problem here is the government getting involved.

 

[LouderVol]

The unvaccinated are not to blame for this pandemic, but in my hospital system they occupy 85+% of beds for people being treated for covid as a primary diagnosis. It doesn’t take a lot of deductive reasoning to see what’s happening.

Add to that they expose all the healthcare workers, patients, and their families to it, including many immunocompromised, and the frustration only grows.

Got any other demographics you care to break down? Why is it only about compliance? I get it's the lowest lying fruit imaginable, but there are som many other risk factors. It's what my doctor and I go over.

1. Being overweight.
2. Being generally inactive/not healthy
3. Low vitamin D.

These are three common issues present in most Covid cases/America, from day 1. Not a single one of them has received any real coverage on combating the pandemic. All of it managable. Especially over an 18 month period, despite recent gains I am still down ~20lbs since the start of the pandemic. But the rest of my numbers are still improved.

But all the sudden compliance with the vaccine is the only talking point. The only one. If it was about saving as many lives as possible one would think that other routes would be explored, or at least acknowledged as beneficial. But all the government, media, and "experts" care about is Trumps vaccines.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

As I've been told for months, the only people that need to worry COVID are the people at risk (elderly, obese, and immuno-compromised). So you have nothing to worry about if you're young and relatively healthy, regardless of vaccination status, and therefore don't need the treatment.

I agree. I’ve had it. I’m an active and healthy 31 year old who has a better chance of dying by suicide.

Do I think people above 65 should get the vaccine? Yes.

Do I think there are issues for people that make Covid-19 worse for some? Yes, Obesity being number 1 outside of age.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

The unvaccinated are not to blame for this pandemic, but in my hospital system they occupy 85+% of beds for people being treated for covid as a primary diagnosis. It doesn’t take a lot of deductive reasoning to see what’s happening.

Add to that they expose all the healthcare workers, patients, and their families to it, including many immunocompromised, and the frustration only grows.

What is the average age?

People 65 and older need to take the vaccine imo.

 

[Carp]

I agree. I’ve had it. I’m an active and healthy 31 year old who has a better chance of dying by suicide.

Do I think people above 65 should get the vaccine? Yes.

Do I think there are issues for people that make Covid-19 worse for some? Yes, Obesity being number 1 outside of age.

Except that with the Delta variant, the average age of hospitalizations has reduced significantly than it was with the original strain. Likely because the majority of people over 55 have received the vaccine.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

Except that with the Delta variant, the average age of hospitalizations has reduced significantly than it was with the original strain. Likely because the majority of people over 55 have received the vaccine.

Reduced by how much?

 

[Carp]

Reduced by how much?

A recent study suggested that people aged 18-49 were the largest demographic of hospitalizations currently. Granted, that's a large group of ages to assess data from, but it's a stark contrast to the data we saw for the vast majority of the pandemic, which was the majority of hospitalizations were among people 65 and older. And the change started in March, so this change can be attributed almost entirely to the amount of older people getting vaccinated.

 

[Volaholic320]

The unvaccinated (who are not otherwise CONCLUSIVELY inoculated) that have “done the research” and “evaluated their risk” need to stop showing up at the ED with shortness of breath and sudden loss of taste & smell. You evaluated your risk, now keep your a** at home and take cough syrup and leave the ED beds for old ladies who broke their hips and heart attacks.

Ill take my chances at home. It seems that people don't leave the hospital alive anymore. I thought the vaccinated people didnt have any issues?

 

[OHvol40]

And this right here proves you aren’t in the medical field. Your lies have been exposed.

You wish

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

You wish

I know

 

[OHvol40]

What is the average age?

People 65 and older need to take the vaccine imo.

I don’t know the average. The youngest I’ve seen is mid-20s and the oldest was early 90s. If I had to guess a mean I’d say 62.

 

[volinbham]

So looks like we were fed more misinformation: No, Tennessee Isn't Hoarding Monoclonal Antibody Treatment for the Unvaccinated

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Weight shaming for any reason and making light of suicide aren't helpful or beneficial, nor do they achieve any goal other than the promotion of shame.

Shame is good.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I am conservative, have had the virus, and am vaccinated. I do not believe in shaming anyone for not being vaccinated. It was a personal decision to avoid the possibility of infecting others as the virus did not affect me very much at all. Do not understand shaming anyone as it is a personal choice and understand some hesitancy. Mandating was an idiotic approach....

On a side note, isn't it unfortunate that the vaccine was sold to everyone as a way to protect your family in the case that you are infected... only to find out later that it isn't necessarily as advertised?

 

[hog88]

Shame is good.

The absence of shame is part of our problems.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So looks like we were fed more misinformation: No, Tennessee Isn't Hoarding Monoclonal Antibody Treatment for the Unvaccinated

Will The Tennessean offer a retraction?