Tennessee considers withholding monoclonal antibody treatment from vaccinated citizens

[Rickyvol77]

This is a couple months old but suggests the hesitancy rate among Docs might be more like 10%

"An ongoing monthly survey of more than 1.9 million U.S. Facebook users led by researchers at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh recently looked at vaccine hesitancy by occupation. It revealed a spectrum of hesitancy among health care workers corresponding to income and education, ranging from a low of 9% among pharmacists to highs of 20%-23% among nursing aides and emergency medical technicians. About 12% of registered nurses and doctors admitted to being hesitant to get a shot."

Huge Number of Hospital Workers Still Unvaccinated

I know in Knoxville the actual number is like 85-90% of physicians that work in hospitals but I don’t know citywide and others

 

[DancingOutlaw]

This is part of it. But, at least for insurance premiums, it's easier to single out as a yes/no question. If you wanted to assess risk on alcohol, weigh, etc. it would be murkier (how much is bad?)

What's murky about it? We have BMI calculators, we know obesity shortens your life. We know alcohol usage beyond nominal amounts shortens your life and can cause domestic issues. You could smoke 2 cigarettes a day and I could drink a fifth a night and you'd be considered a more expensive life to cover. It's just posturing.

 

[tnmarktx]

You want the federal government to be manufacturing medical treatments?

When you have a health emergency they could facilitate the production of more medical treatments, like the last admin did with ventilators.

 

[OHvol40]

Is this the 300 person survey?

It’s the American Medical Association survey, and it’s from June, so the % has only gone up from 96%. I’m assuming instead of refuting the actual information you’ll try to poo poo the source in some (not so) creative way, good luck with that, you can argue with yourself lol

 

[Rickyvol77]

It’s the American Medical Association survey, and it’s from June, so the % has only gone up from 96%. I’m assuming instead of refuting the actual information you’ll try to poo poo the source in some (not so) creative way, good luck with that, you can argue with yourself lol

Are you actually trying to say 300 physicians is a proper sample size for the entire country?

 

[MAD]

I’m all for the vaccine and all for monoclonal antibody treatment.
What I don’t understand are the unvaccinated wanting one but not the other…

Given that they:

1. Are under an Emergency Use Authorization and are not FDA approved.
2. Haven’t been studied for long term side effects.
3. Were developed using the fetal cell line

The antivaxxers should be last in line, since those are 3 COMMON refrains for not getting the vaccine…

 

[Velo Vol]

What's murky about it? We have BMI calculators, we know obesity shortens your life. We know alcohol usage beyond nominal amounts shortens your life and can cause domestic issues. You could smoke 2 cigarettes a day and I could drink a fifth a night and you'd be considered a more expensive life to cover. It's just posturing.

OK. Say you have a 40-year-old male insurance buyer who is 5'10'. What would be the acceptable weight for a normal policy? And how much more would he pay for being ten pounds over that? Fifty pounds?

When you have a health emergency they could facilitate the production of more medical treatments, like the last admin did with ventilators.

Maybe they are?

It’s the American Medical Association survey, and it’s from June, so the % has only gone up from 96%. I’m assuming instead of refuting the actual information you’ll try to poo poo the source in some (not so) creative way, good luck with that, you can argue with yourself lol

My brother in law is in hospital administration, and he says there's push back against the vaccine there among some doctors.

 

[OHvol40]

OK. Say you have a 40-year-old male insurance buyer who is 5'10'. What would be the acceptable weight for a normal policy? And how much more would he pay for being ten pounds over that? Fifty pounds?
Maybe they are?

My brother in law is in hospital administration, and he says there's push back against the vaccine there among some doctors.

For themselves or patients? Did he give a rationale for this push back?

 

[Velo Vol]

For themselves or patients? Did he give a rationale for this push back?

Themselves. He didn't give numbers, but it sounded like 10% is very plausible (this is in Ohio).

 

[OHvol40]

Themselves. He didn't give numbers, but it sounded like 10% is very plausible (this is in Ohio).

I’d like to hear their collective reasoning. My facility in western PA is at 100% for physicians and 98% for advanced practitioners. Maybe this group has, in large part, already had covid?

 

[whodeycin85]

I’m all for the vaccine and all for monoclonal antibody treatment.
What I don’t understand are the unvaccinated wanting one but not the other…

Given that they:

1. Are under an Emergency Use Authorization and are not FDA approved.
2. Haven’t been studied for long term side effects.
3. Were developed using the fetal cell line

The antivaxxers should be last in line, since those are 3 COMMON refrains for not getting the vaccine…

Good question, I myself am unvaccinated...i haven't done it because personally Im not an at risk person.My GF has Copd and Asthema so i asked... she said that the vaccine has pushed so hard and numbers fudged.. she said the MAB treatment has stood on its own for 5 months with no push from the government. She said because it stood successfully on its own own efficacy and that would be her 1st choice

 

[tnmarktx]

Maybe they are?

I'll go back to my previous statement, they are failing at it.

 

[tnmarktx]

For themselves or patients? Did he give a rationale for this push back?

My wife says there are a group of doctors, nurses, and lab workers at UT hospital that would leave their jobs if forced to vaccinate. Their rationale is side effects and questionable efficacy of the covid vaccine.

 

[MAD]

When you have a health emergency they could facilitate the production of more medical treatments, like the last admin did with ventilators.

It was crucial to have so many ventilators since a vaccine wasn’t available, now the majority of those ventilators are being used by the unvaccinated.

 

[tnmarktx]

It was crucial to have so many ventilators since a vaccine wasn’t available, now the majority of those ventilators are being used by the unvaccinated.

Now it's crucial to have the antibodies for treatment. This administration is failing the American people.

 

[lostsheep]

Typical Tennessee dumbassness. The unvaccinated should be last in line for any treatment. You choose to not get the vaccine, then don't expect to be first in line for treatment when you get really sick.

 

[Rickyvol77]

My wife says there are a group of doctors, nurses, and lab workers at UT hospital that would leave their jobs if forced to vaccinate. Their rationale is side effects and questionable efficacy of the covid vaccine.

UTMC would lose about 25% of their workforce which is why they haven’t and won’t really mandate vaccines

 

[Rickyvol77]

Typical Tennessee dumbassness. The unvaccinated should be last in line for any treatment. You choose to not get the vaccine, then don't expect to be first in line for treatment when you get really sick.

You aren’t very bright. This is a federal guideline

 

[MAD]

Now it's crucial to have the antibodies for treatment. This administration is failing the American people.

I agree with you, it’s an important treatment. I have unvaccinated friends that benefited from it, they also regretted making the decision not to get vaccinated.

 

[CABVOL]

The unvaccinated (who are not otherwise CONCLUSIVELY inoculated) that have “done the research” and “evaluated their risk” need to stop showing up at the ED with shortness of breath and sudden loss of taste & smell. You evaluated your risk, now keep your a** at home and take cough syrup and leave the ED beds for old ladies who broke their hips and heart attacks.

What about the heart attacks induced by smoking, morbid obesity, chronic HTN, etc? Probably should leave those beds vacant while we’re at it.

 

[lostsheep]

You aren’t very bright. This is a federal guideline

Again, typical Tennessee dumbassness. The state of Tennessee is the one considering limiting it to the unvaccinated. The federal government is simply rationing the availability of it. Thanks Governor Lee for your continued ignorance and lack of leadership during a pandemic. Hopefully your fortunes end up mirroring those of the one-term nut-job wanna-be dictator.

 

[OHvol40]

My wife says there are a group of doctors, nurses, and lab workers at UT hospital that would leave their jobs if forced to vaccinate. Their rationale is side effects and questionable efficacy of the covid vaccine.

Ok, what side effects and what questionable efficacy?

 

[CABVOL]

I went in in May for what I thought was appendicitis and turned out to be a boulder of a kidney stone. While rolling in pain in the waiting room a girl comes in for a swollen ankle that she said was already diagnosed as a sprain earlier in the week (by the ER) but the swelling hadn’t dissipated. I thought to myself you have to be *****ing me.

Love getting those 1am ankle sprains that they injured 3-4 days prior.

 

[VolStrom]

It was crucial to have so many ventilators since a vaccine wasn’t available, now the majority of those ventilators are being used by the unvaccinated.

I don't think I've ever witnessed someone as adamant about something as you are. In fact a lot of vaccines have had safety concerns over the years.

Historical Safety Concerns | Vaccine Safety | CDC

 

[OHvol40]

What about the heart attacks induced by smoking, morbid obesity, chronic HTN, etc? Probably should leave those beds vacant while we’re at it.

If you can draw a straight line to causation then sure, but you can’t. If that is the road you’re going down then why aren’t coal powered plants held liable for respiratory diseases in their fallout zone and contaminated watersheds that contribute to chronic health conditions?