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This is incorrect. Oklahoma actually had fewer points per possession that Tennessee did; Oklahoma ended with .97 points per possession (pretty good considering how good they are offensively; they scored more points per possession against Texas than they did us), while Tennessee ended with exactly 1 points per possession. Oklahoma turned the ball over on 35% of their possessions.

Oklahoma had 41 fastbreak points, Tennessee had 30 points off turnovers.

A bad defensiv performance compared to what we need? Yeah, sure. "No defense"? No, that's just ignoring 31 turnovers in 89 possessions, many of which were entirely forced.

You can't just not count a defensiv stop in the backcourt because it's in the backcourt. A stop is a stop no matter where it is. It's even better when it's a stop that immediately becomes 2 points.
My comment about lack of defense still obtains....
 
This is incorrect. Oklahoma actually had fewer points per possession that Tennessee did; Oklahoma ended with .97 points per possession (pretty good considering how good they are offensively; they scored more points per possession against Texas than they did us), while Tennessee ended with exactly 1 points per possession. Oklahoma turned the ball over on 35% of their possessions.

Oklahoma had 41 fastbreak points, Tennessee had 30 points off turnovers.

A bad defensiv performance compared to what we need? Yeah, sure. "No defense"? No, that's just ignoring 31 turnovers in 89 possessions, many of which were entirely forced.

You can't just not count a defensiv stop in the backcourt because it's in the backcourt. A stop is a stop no matter where it is. It's even better when it's a stop that immediately becomes 2 points.
I’m confused (not earth shattering btw). But if UT had more possessions and as you say OK had fewer pts per possession, how did they outscore UT? Was it a free throw thing? Must have been. I need to think on that, because free throws are awarded on a possession also, so if one team has more possessions and has more points from each possession how does that work? Especially given OK had way more turnovers. I’m doing a mind meld here to coorelate this info.
 
Agree with most of that, if not all of it. I would like to add something to this conversation, but it won't be easy for many to accept.

After watching this UT team play yesterday against what I consider their first true NCAA tourney quality opponent thus far (FSU and Iowa, if they make the tourney, will be early outs), I was surprised how badly and how often the offense breaks down into individual ISO play in the half-court offense. That will need to be fixed. Even Spencer mentioned it in the post-game interview, "Four players stand around and watch one player go one on one" (or one vs two) against their opponent. That won't break your back in the SEC for the majority of games, because this LV team has many other positives going for it obviously and will outclass most SEC teams normally. But come tournament time it would be a different story.

I have shared my very positive outlook for this LV team with everyone. I believe they will be top 3-4 in the SEC this year. I still think that. But something has to change in their half court offense before March or the season will end quickly in the tournament. NCAA games are different. They're a little slower, more pressure, more physical, and more reliant on the half-court game. And most of the tourney teams will be proficient at handling the press.
Absolutely I agree 100%!! They have got to correct the ISO plays and start moving the ball. And with as much as we sub there should be no reason for lack of defense and getting back in transition. I thought we looked awful for 3 quarters. If we played half as hard as we did in the 4th quarter we win pretty easily.
 
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I’m confused (not earth shattering btw). But if UT had more possessions and as you say OK had fewer pts per possession, how did they outscore UT? Was it a free throw thing? Must have been. I need to think on that, because free throws are awarded on a possession also, so if one team has more possessions and has more points from each possession how does that work? Especially given OK had way more turnovers. I’m doing a mind meld here to coorelate this info.
11 made FTs to 2 gets them there. The ppp were really close, too.
 
Absolutely I agree 100%!! They have got to correct the ISO plays and start moving the ball. And with as much as we sub there should be no reason for lack of defense and getting back in transition. I thought we looked awful for 3 quarters. If we played half as hard as we did in the 4th quarter we win pretty easily.
I’m not certain how easy it would be to play 40 minutes like the LV’s played for the last 4 minutes. I suppose the goal is always to come close to that though. It’s a high bar, but your coach expects it, so we could see more games now where they get close to that standard, would make a big difference against the better teams.
 
11 made FTs to 2 gets them there. The ppp were really close, too.
Chuck, aren’t free throws part of a possession? Have to be. That doesn’t seem to explain the contradiction here. Tenn had more possessions and he stated they scored more per possession….??? I’m missing something here, because free throws, if part of a possession (has to be) only add to the points per possession. It’s a measure of how many points were scored per possession in a game, if you make or miss free throws that only adjusts your points per possession, and he said UT had more points per possession.

Even the three ball would not change this, it’s still points per possession, and unless I’m just obtuse, any team that has the most possessions and scores the highest points per possession cannot lose, right? Can teams score without possession?
 
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I’m not certain how easy it would be to play 40 minutes like the LV’s played for the last 4 minutes. I suppose the goal is always to come close to that though. It’s a high bar, but your coach expects it, so we could see more games now where they get close to that standard, would make a big difference against the better teams.
Yea, I realize it's not reasonable to expect that type of performance for all 40 minutes. However, I felt that our effort could have been a lot better. It seemed like after Oklahoma crossed half-court, we let up. And even Coach Caldwell stated after the game that that's the reason they rotate so much. To give maximum effort while they are out there. So it should be close to sustainable as far as effort goes, imo.
 
Chuck, aren’t free throws part of a possession? Have to be. That doesn’t seem to explain the contradiction here. Tenn had more possessions and he stated they scored more per possession….??? I’m missing something here, because free throws, if part of a possession (has to be) only add to the points per possession. It’s a measure of how many points were scored per possession in a game, if you make or miss free throws that only adjusts your points per possession, and he said UT had more points per possession.

Even the three ball would not change this, it’s still points per possession, and unless I’m just obtuse, any team that has the most possessions and scores the highest points per possession cannot lose, right? Can teams score without possession?
Just guessing, but that last empty possession could have been the difference. Maybe we can get @RespectAPA back to explain.
 
Chuck, aren’t free throws part of a possession? Have to be. That doesn’t seem to explain the contradiction here. Tenn had more possessions and he stated they scored more per possession….??? I’m missing something here, because free throws, if part of a possession (has to be) only add to the points per possession. It’s a measure of how many points were scored per possession in a game, if you make or miss free throws that only adjusts your points per possession, and he said UT had more points per possession.

Even the three ball would not change this, it’s still points per possession, and unless I’m just obtuse, any team that has the most possessions and scores the highest points per possession cannot lose, right? Can teams score without possession?
Summary quote: "To calculate the number of possessions in basketball, you can add up the number of field goals, free throws, turnovers, and offensive rebounds. You can also multiply the number of free throw attempts by 0.44 to account for one-shot instances like technical fouls and and-ones."

For detailed explanation: Possession in Basketball Explained
 
Summary quote: "To calculate the number of possessions in basketball, you can add up the number of field goals, free throws, turnovers, and offensive rebounds. You can also multiply the number of free throw attempts by 0.44 to account for one-shot instances like technical fouls and and-ones."

For detailed explanation: Possession in Basketball Explained
But still, if a team had the most possessions, and scored on average more per possession than their opponent, how do they lose? It seems ironclad, no? And ones would simply give you more points per possession. An empty possession is a possession with zero points, right? That would be part of the points per possession calculation, what am I missing?

Not trying to be difficult, I am methodical in thinking, I know I must be missing something and I am curious if anyone knows the answer to settle my mind lol.

edit: I might have figured this out. A team can be awarded free throws without possession, like when an offensive foul occurs and the other team is in the bonus already. Or when your team gets fouled on defense at any time while in the bonus.

weird it took me so long to think of that scenario. I’m losing my edge. Put me to pasture folks. I feel like Robin Williams now talking about golf….
 
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I’m not certain how easy it would be to play 40 minutes like the LV’s played for the last 4 minutes. I suppose the goal is always to come close to that though. It’s a high bar, but your coach expects it, so we could see more games now where they get close to that standard, would make a big difference against the better teams.
IMO, watching the game the way the fouls were called and the unnecessary stops favored Oklahoma to go the course. I'm not saying it was unfair, UT shot just 7 Free throws that aside, all the stops helped OU recover. The hectic part of the game finally caught up with them in the 4th but it was basically too late and they just about got beat. If that game goes to Overtime, I predict UT wins and maybe by 5 points are more the game was trending and the heavy girls for OU were gassed in the 4th.
 
IMO, watching the game the way the fouls were called and the unnecessary stops favored Oklahoma to go the course. I'm not saying it was unfair, UT shot just 7 Free throws that aside, all the stops helped OU recover. The hectic part of the game finally caught up with them in the 4th but it was basically too late and they just about got beat. If that game goes to Overtime, I predict UT wins and maybe by 5 points are more the game was trending and the heavy girls for OU were gassed in the 4th.
I want to play them again because I think we win a rematch, but I may also be delulu.
 
I want to play them again because I think we win a rematch, but I may also be delulu.
You not delulu lol if we play like they did the last five mins this really wouldve been a blowout 31 turnovers, we missed a ton of shots gave them easy layups not being matched up in the press and still have a chance to win besides the missed shots cuz offense come amd go everything else is fixable
 
I want to play them again because I think we win a rematch, but I may also be delulu.
Not at all they shot 54 percent odds are they won't shoot that well again. They got 16 trips to the foul line to our 7 don't see that happening again. I think were the better team sometimes just have an overall bad day and we had one Sunday.
 
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No matter what the play was to drive the ball by somebody .....anybody but preferably Cooper who is probably the best women's college player in driving the ball .....
Defense is strugglng and need some tweeks cause part of it is about the way we play. to many over the top of the press layups. Going to need to make an adjustment to stop some of that from happening.
 
IMO, watching the game the way the fouls were called and the unnecessary stops favored Oklahoma to go the course. I'm not saying it was unfair, UT shot just 7 Free throws that aside, all the stops helped OU recover. The hectic part of the game finally caught up with them in the 4th but it was basically too late and they just about got beat. If that game goes to Overtime, I predict UT wins and maybe by 5 points are more the game was trending and the heavy girls for OU were gassed in the 4th.
Thisis where the coach has to step up and start working the refs harder
 

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