Tennessee passes heartbeat bill, bans abortions for babies with Down syndrome

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GoBigOrangeUT said:
I’m fine with all abortions regardless of the reason. It’s not my choice to make and it’s not my place to decide for a woman what she does. You make it sound like it’s all just women whoring around night after night getting knocked up over and over again.
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It basically is. Sorry. Rape and incest represent a very small percentage of reasons for abortions.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
I’m fine with all abortions regardless of the reason. It’s not my choice to make and it’s not my place to decide for a woman what she does. You make it sound like it’s all just women whoring around night after night getting knocked up over and over again.
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And there is nothing wrong necessarily with being a whore. However, what if a woman decides to have children later in life? Are the pro-abortion groups educating women on the effects to their bodies and ability to carry a baby to term after multiple abortions or other abortive methods?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It basically is. Sorry. Rape and incest represent a very small percentage of reasons for abortions.
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Agreed... but that is all the more reason to allow for exceptions in those rare cases. They would rarely be used. This ridiculous, waste of paper, bill doesn't do that.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Agreed... but that is all the more reason to allow for exceptions in those rare cases. They would rarely be used. This ridiculous, waste of paper, bill doesn't do that.
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So, if it provided for this exceptions you’d be ok with it?

I’ll answer for you: “No.”

The “exceptions” argument is a long time distraction. It argues at the fringes to ignore the overwhelming issue.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You are totally missing what I'm suggesting. I know women can be late or have irregular cycles. My question is if a woman has had intercourse since her last cycle, does a woman not even at least ask herself or have concerns about possibly being pregnant within 6 weeks? Even if a woman has a tendency to run irregularly, you're telling me that thought doesn't cross their minds?
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IF she uses the pill or an IUD, probably not at all at first. In the case of an IUD, she could have sex everyday and not be worried about it. If a woman using the pill or condoms is two or three weeks late, then she might consider it.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
IF she uses the pill or an IUD, probably not at all at first. In the case of an IUD, she could have sex everyday and not be worried about it. If a woman using the pill or condoms is two or three weeks late, then she might consider it.
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Is it unreasonable or impractical for a single woman to know or at least try to find out if she's pregnant within 6 weeks?
 
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Roustabout said:
So, if it provided for this exceptions you’d be ok with it?

I’ll answer for you: “No.”

The “exceptions” argument is a long time distraction. It argues at the fringes to ignore the overwhelming issue.
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What I'm okay with, is irrelevant. There is not a good reason to pass a bill which doesn't allow for those exceptions. Even the most ardent of pro-life advocates in the United States Congress, believe that those exceptions should exist.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
... but there is still not a good reason to pass a bill which doesn't allow for those exceptions. Even the most ardent of pro-life advocates in the United States Congress, believe that those exceptions should exist.
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My fear is that you might see false rape claims go up as a result. Some woman would accuse a guy of raping her 5 weeks earlier and demand an abortion and for that guy to be arrested.
 
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No abortions, eh?

If they're gonna legislate a mandate that a prego woman must give birth to a child - even if down's syndrome and because of rape, then the same bill must also legislate whom that woman shall give said baby (i.e. if you support this bill, you are officially an adopter of any unwanted child born). Otherwise, they're gonna be alot of babies dumped in garbage dumpsters, drowned, thrown off of buildings, abandoned, etc.

Who's signing up for the Official Adoption List for the down's syndrome baby produced by a raped woman??? [raise your hand]
 
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MontyPython said:
No abortions, eh?

Not a problem if there's a line of people waiting to adopt said unwanted babies. Mandatory adoptions required by anyone supporting this stupidity.

Who's signing up for the down's syndrome baby produced by a raped woman??? [raise your hand]
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Since we are making up scenarios that have probably never happened because Down Syndrome is caused by a genetic condition, who is signing up for the unicorn/fairy child? Amirite?
 
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It is probably one of the most difficult topics in life and politics to grasp. And discuss. And make judgement on. And not being a woman makes it more difficult for me to weigh in. I sympathize with the woman on these matters. Yet, I can't help but believe that no matter how a child is conceived and gets brought into this world, no matter how vile the act may be, that child belongs to God and it is not for humans to determine it's fate. Truth be told, I really struggle with this issue.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Since we are making up scenarios that have probably never happened because Down Syndrome is caused by a genetic condition, who is signing up for the unicorn/fairy child? Amirite?
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You're not getting it. A woman can have a child that has down's syndrome. This can happen through normal intercourse, or if she's raped.

So:

Woman has a fetus ID'd with down's syndrome. Option: No abortion after 6 weeks; or
Woman has a fetus resulting from being raped. It's also ID'd with down's syndrome. Option: No abortion after 6 weeks.

Not. Smart.
 
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MontyPython said:
No abortions, eh?

If they're gonna legislate a mandate that a prego woman must give birth to a child - even if down's syndrome and because of rape, then the same bill must also legislate whom that woman shall give said baby (i.e. if you support this bill, you are officially an adopter of any unwanted child born). Otherwise, they're gonna be alot of babies dumped in garbage dumpsters, drowned, thrown off of buildings, abandoned, etc.

Who's signing up for the Official Adoption List for the down's syndrome baby produced by a raped woman??? [raise your hand]
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Here you go with extremes again. How many of these pregnancies were the result of rape? Now, of those, how many have Downs syndrome?
 
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You aren't going to be able to force women to carry a baby to term and also not smoke, drink alcohol, and do other bad things to a developing fetus.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
My fear is that you might see false rape claims go up as a result. Some woman would accuse a guy of raping her 5 weeks earlier and demand an abortion and for that guy to be arrested.
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Such incidents would be rare... not saying it wouldn't ever happen, but you are reaching with this. It doesn't override the fact that allowing a female who has been raped, to abort a baby conceived during the course of the crime, is the humane thing to do.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Here you go with extremes again. How many of these pregnancies were the result of rape? Now, of those, how many have Downs syndrome?
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I ask you pragmatically:

If your wife were raped, and conceived a fetus - and that fetus were subsequently diagnosed with down's syndrome after 6 weeks had passed - would you want the *option* to have an abortion?
 
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MontyPython said:
You're not getting it. A woman can have a child that has down's syndrome. This can happen through normal intercourse, or if she's raped.

So:

Woman has a fetus ID'd with down's syndrome. Option: No abortion after 6 weeks; or
Woman has a fetus resulting from being raped. It's also ID'd with down's syndrome. Option: No abortion after 6 weeks.

Not. Smart.
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No, your not getting it boy wonder. Your scenario is illogical and probably hasn’t happened more than a handful of times in the last 50 years since Roe v. Wade. Less than 1/2 of 1% of all babies born in the US have Down Syndrome and less than 1/2 of 1% of all abortions are related to rape/incest. So, let’s keep killing hundreds of thousands of babies per year for that .0025 chance that you suggest. 🤦‍♂️
 
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So just everyone on here that don’t think Down syndrome children are people you do knows doctors And tests sometimes miss these special Kid’s until they are born so what do you Do then electrocute the ones that slip through also and murder them too.
 
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utfantilidie said:
So just everyone on here that don’t think Down syndrome children are people you do knows doctors And tests sometimes miss these special Kid’s until they are born so what do you Do then electrocute the ones that slip through also and murder them too.
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They don’t care. Hit them with a hammer or feed them to the dogs, after all they aren’t human so what does it matter? Now, if a white cop kills an “innocent” black man then his life is more valuable than all the treasures in the World.
 
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landscapingvol said:
No, your not getting it boy wonder. Your scenario is illogical and probably hasn’t happened more than a handful of times in the last 50 years since Roe v. Wade. Less than 1/2 of 1% of all babies born in the US have Down Syndrome and less than 1/2 of 1% of all abortions are related to rape/incest. So, let’s keep killing hundreds of thousands of babies per year for that .0025 chance that you suggest. 🤦‍♂️
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Cool story, bro.

So, what you're saying is that you are willing to OFFICIALLY sign up as an willing-adopter of ANY down's syndrome baby that is born by a woman who did not want her baby, yet forced to have it.

You're willing to adopt that baby from a woman who puts it up for adoption or abandons it on a doorstep somewhere. Because THAT is what's gonna happen.

Kudos to you. I'm sure you'll be rewarded in the afterlife.
 
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MontyPython said:
I ask you pragmatically:

If your wife were raped, and conceived a fetus - and that fetus were subsequently diagnosed with down's syndrome after 6 weeks had passed... would you want the *option* to have an abortion?
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If she were raped, why would it take 6 weeks to address this? I'm confused.
 
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MontyPython said:
Cool story, bro.

So, what you're saying is that you are willing to OFFICIALLY sign up as an willing-adopter of ANY down's syndrome baby that is born by a woman who did not want her baby, yet forced to have it.

You're willing to adopt that baby from a woman who puts it up for adoption or abandons it on a doorstep somewhere.

Kudos to you. I'm sure you'll be rewarded in the afterlife.
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Thanks bro, any other fake scenarios you want to discuss, bro?
 
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