Tennessee ranking

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#151
golfballs said:
How do you criticize people for touting kenpom, then go on to tout the freaking bracket matrix?
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I haven't criticized anyone for touting kenpom. If you've listened to anything I've ever said on this board, I love kenpom.

Where are you reading all this?
 
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#152
CAVol said:
Yeah I heard that last year too, and the year they won the national championship.
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This year is a bit different. They're talent rich at every position and with Walker eligible, I don't really see where their weakness lies.

UT could've matched up well with them in the frontcourt pre-Walker. Now? That's a tough out with Young, Walker, Finney-Smith and Yeugete (who I think is back).

Prather on the wing who is playing every bit as well as McRae right now.

And then Wilbekin and Frazier up top?

They're just stacked, AND experienced.
 
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#153
CAVol said:
Yeah I heard that last year too, and the year they won the national championship.
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Since Donovan has been (16 years?) I think there have only been two years we've failed to beat them at least once.
 
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#154
MemphisCanes said:
I haven't criticized anyone for touting kenpom. If you've listened to anything I've ever said on this board, I love kenpom.

Where are you reading all this?
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MemphisCanes said:
Congratulations on being ranked high in the kenpom "polls". I'm sure you'll hang the banner right next to your regular season wins over Florida.
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#155
I'm curious to see Young in the paint against our bigs. Normally, he's played 4 inches shorter and 40 pounds lighter but he seems to have figured it out and bulked up like a semi truck. The few games I have watched, I really like Prather. I can't stand Wilbekin but Walker is a monster. I was watching him last year and remember saying I dread playing this kid.
 
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#156
golfballs said:
Since Donovan has been (16 years?) I think there have only been two years we've failed to beat them at least once.
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I know. But every year is different. Sweeping Florida would be an extremely helpful thing for your resume, and would go a long way in UT actually winning the SEC, as I think Florida is the cream of the crop.
 
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#157
TN is now favored in all conference games on rpiforecast but 2 (KY and FL away). Expected RPI at the end of the season is 34.5.
 
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#158
MemphisCanes said:
This year is a bit different. They're talent rich at every position and with Walker eligible, I don't really see where their weakness lies.

UT could've matched up well with them in the frontcourt pre-Walker. Now? That's a tough out with Young, Walker, Finney-Smith and Yeugete (who I think is back).

Prather on the wing who is playing every bit as well as McRae right now.

And then Wilbekin and Frazier up top?

They're just stacked, AND experienced.
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We're always in their heads.
it's a Bama/ Auburn thing.
Young always goes foul crazy and tanks. Hoping for the officiating crew we had at LSU also. Let um play.
 
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#160
MemphisCanes said:
That was making fun of the poster who were crowing over a prediction metric like they'd won the Super Bowl, not the metric itself.

No one gets a trophy for winning Kenpom, it's just used to predict outcomes.
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I get your point. Which is strange you would then cite the bracket matrix. Likewise you don't get a trophy for that
 
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#161
golfballs said:
I get your point. Which is strange you would then cite the bracket matrix. Likewise you don't get a trophy for that
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It was in an argument over tourney resumes. Although informal, the brackets on the matrix are based on tourney resumes. None of the 35 "experts" seem to share BTO's opinion that UT's resume is on equal ground as Memphis'. Simply a persuasive argument rather than a controlling one.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
This year is a bit different. They're talent rich at every position and with Walker eligible, I don't really see where their weakness lies.

UT could've matched up well with them in the frontcourt pre-Walker. Now? That's a tough out with Young, Walker, Finney-Smith and Yeugete (who I think is back).

Prather on the wing who is playing every bit as well as McRae right now.

And then Wilbekin and Frazier up top?

They're just stacked, AND experienced.
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They should be much tougher than in the past few yrs but to get where I hope we end up, we have to beat good teams.
 
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#163
MemphisCanes said:
Alright, since you're trying to play a shell game.

Memphis
RPI: 29
SOS:28
Record: 10-3
vs top 50: 1-3
vs. top 50-100: 1-0
vs. top 100+: 8-0
Best win: Oklahoma State (RPI 15)
Worst loss: Cincinnati (RPI 19)

Tennessee
RPI: 46
SOS: 22
Record: 9-4
vs top 50: 2-2
vs top 50-100: 2-1
vs top 100+: 5-1
Best win: Xavier (RPI 27)
Worst loss: MF'n UTEP (RPI 140)
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Let's highlight a few things using your numbers.

-SOS...
UT-22, UM-28...It would appear that our schedule is stronger thus far that UM's...again, according to your info.

-Vs. Top 50
UT is 2-2, UM is 1-3...We seem to have fared better against the Top 50, using your info.

-Vs. Top 50-100
UT is 2-1, UM is 1-0...Not much information to work with on the UM side, but UT has dropped a game (I assume this to be the NCSU gm), a game we should have won at home

-Vs. 100+ teams
UT is 5-1, UM is 8-0...We have a bad loss, and UM has beaten every cupcake they have played.

How is that not comparable? You act like there is a Amazon-wide gap between the two resumes. I won't argue that one is exponentially better than the other, but they are pretty dang similar, even using your info.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
If you honestly believe that then there's nothing I can do for you.
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I know I can't do anything for you. I grew up a Memphis basketball fan and know alot about them.

I am not saying that UT's is way better, but at this point in time, it is better. It would change if Memphis won tonight.
 
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#165
VolGee4 said:
I know I can't do anything for you. I grew up a Memphis basketball fan and know alot about them.

I am not saying that UT's is way better, but at this point in time, it is better. It would change if Memphis won tonight.
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You are insane, my friend.
 
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#166
cncchris33 said:
Let's highlight a few things using your numbers.

-SOS...
UT-22, UM-28...It would appear that our schedule is stronger thus far that UM's...again, according to your info.

-Vs. Top 50
UT is 2-2, UM is 1-3...We seem to have fared better against the Top 50, using your info.

-Vs. Top 50-100
UT is 2-1, UM is 1-0...Not much information to work with on the UM side, but UT has dropped a game (I assume this to be the NCSU gm), a game we should have won at home

-Vs. 100+ teams
UT is 5-1, UM is 8-0...We have a bad loss, and UM has beaten every cupcake they have played.

How is that not comparable? You act like there is a Amazon-wide gap between the two resumes. I won't argue that one is exponentially better than the other, but they are pretty dang similar, even using your info.
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YOU LOST TO UTEP. HELLO MCFLY!!! Your quality win is also Xavier. Ours is Oklahoma State.

Right now these are the resumes of a 6 seed and a bubble team. They are not comparable
 
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MemphisCanes said:
YOU LOST TO UTEP. HELLO MCFLY!!! Your quality win is also Xavier. Ours is Oklahoma State.

Right now these are the resumes of a 6 seed and a bubble team. They are not comparable
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It's not about 1 win and 1 loss. It's about all of them.

But, I said this yesterday, this is stupid to argue. No one is changing your mind. Memphis' lone win against OSU does not make their resume better. Congrats that they are 8-0 outside the Top 100. Austin Peay, Jackson State, Arkansas-Little Rock, Nicholls State, and SE Missouri State are ecstatic that you think they are good. Ridiculous.
 
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#172
#172
VolGee4 said:
It's not about 1 win and 1 loss. It's about all of them.

But, I said this yesterday, this is stupid to argue. No one is changing your mind. Memphis' lone win against OSU does not make their resume better. Congrats that they are 8-0 outside the Top 100. Austin Peay, Jackson State, Arkansas-Little Rock, Nicholls State, and SE Missouri State are ecstatic that you think they are good. Ridiculous.
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At this point it is, when we've only both played about 4 or 5 decent teams.

You are in the very very very vast minority in your belief, I'll tell you that.
 
#173
#173
MemphisCanes said:
At this point it is, when we've only both played about 4 or 5 decent teams.

You are in the very very very vast minority in your belief, I'll tell you that.
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I hate to break it to you MC, but you're the ONLY one on here saying they aren't comparable. I believe that puts you in the very very very very vast minority.
 
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Volinmem said:
I hate to break it to you MC, but you're the ONLY one on here saying they aren't comparable. I believe that puts you in the very very very very vast minority.
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There's a whole wide world outside this message board, friend. Peddle this crap out there and you'll find very few who agree.
 
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