Tennessee requests 30 day extension

[Jeff Clark]

Didn’t they announce mizzou’s punishment in November, right around the time of the game that was for the 6th win or 7th loss?

In 1981 the NCAA announced that the 1981 Miami team that finished 9-2 was getting a two year Bowl Ban the week of their 7th game against FSU. That Miami team had Jim Kelly. The NCAA doesn't care when they lower the boom.

 

[VolGirl81]

Just watch, they'll screw us at a time it does the UT the greatest harm.

Can’t help but think the same. I don’t trust the NCAA on any level.

 

[vegasvolfan]

I hope the NCAA isn't thinking of saying Tennessee can't go to a Bowl Game this season and or next Season.

It would be incredibly negligible for them to slap us with sanctions mid season. That said it's been longer than any 30 days since July 25th, so what's up with this post 90 days later?

 

[TartanTurff]

NCAA can't penalize anything regarding the upcoming bowl season, the actual hearing before the infractions committee hasn't occurred and probably has not even been scheduled. The university is merely responding in writing to the allegations, which will be due within the 30 day extension. Depending on the number of disputed matters flowing from the allegations, the NCAA enforcement officers would need to present their proof to the Committee on Infractions which would adjudicate the dispute and set a punishment if the university and/or its employees were found in violation of the involved rules, but such a hearing would not be expected until sometime in 2023 at the earliest.

I doubt the enforcement hearing ever occurs, the Level 1 violations and proof are fairly compelling based upon Blonde Donde's descriptions of same. The decision not to pay Pruitt is a fairly good indicator that those circumstances did occur. The case may all be about the university's remediation, mitigation and self imposed penalties for such transgressions.

Bad stuff happened, the million dollar report and investigation should be very entertaining reading if the university ever releases it.

 

[vegasvolfan]

Per Hyams.

So what does this mean?

"Now, per KnoxNews.com, the school has been given an extension by the NCAA in order to respond to the letter:

The University of Tennessee has been granted a 30-day extension by the NCAA to respond to a notice of allegations for violations allegedly committed under fired football coach Jeremy Pruitt, a university spokesperson told Knox News.

Why does that matter? Well, after Tennessee files a response, the NCAA has 60 days to respond. Per the Knox News report, that means a postseason ban is unlikely this year"

Tennessee reportedly receives extension from NCAA to respond to notice of allegations in Jeremy Pruitt case

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Interesting. Many on here have said the NCAA is done and they have no power anymore. So why should this matter?

 

[beachvol23]

The university already imposed penalties internally that were not announced. There will not be a “bowl ban”. The university could always take ‘AA to court anyway, which the AA would easily lose, so all the paranoid people need to go drink a beer and stop worrying.

 

[DeepSpringsVol]

Tennessee reportedly receives extension from NCAA to respond to notice of allegations in Jeremy Pruitt case

According to the article, any bowl bans would be handed down by the NCAA next season when the team would be rebuilding at QB. So nothing to worry about right now.
*edit* With our luck, the, team will be even better next season*

That could cause Milton to leave which wouldn't be ideal. Typically when bowl bans are in place the NCAA has allowed seniors a get out jail free transfer. Not saying that would be a good idea as clearly QBs like to sling the ball and UT under Heupel should make qbs very happy.

 

[Tacoma Vol]

If these clowns come down with strict sanctions the university needs to sue the NCAA. screw them. Go for big money. Hold the **** up for years.

 

[utvolz98]

Here's the unpleasant thing about revoking wins from Pruitt's second and third year (8 in 2019, 3 in 2020). Have a look at the all-time wins list for major college football:

1.Michigan - 983
2.Alabama - 949
3.Ohio State - 949
4.Notre Dame - 933
5.Texas - 933
6.Oklahoma - 932
7.Penn State - 915
8.Nebraska - 911
9.Tennessee - 863
10.USC - 862
11.Georgia - 860
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12.LSU - 829
13.Auburn - 791
14.Clemson - 786
15.West Virginia - 772
16.Texas A&M - 769
17.Virginia Tech - 765
18.Washington - 755
19.Pittsburgh - 753
20.Florida - 752

I took the liberty of inserting a dashed line at the spot Tennessee would occupy with 11 vacated wins (from 863 down to 852).

You'll notice two things about that new spot:

-- It takes us out of the Top 10 all-time programs.
-- It drops us behind UGa.

So yeah, this is painful. I don't care if those were "Beldar wins." I don't care if some of them came in the weird Covid season.

I do care about our place in the history books.

Josh Heupel can, with several years of concerted effort, climb us slowly back up that ladder above UGa. We'll have to make up 8 games on them. So it won't come quick or easy. But we can do that.

I'd just rather not have to. I'd much rather still be climbing our way up to pass Nebraska.

So yeah, let's don't pretend that vacating a couple of seasons of wins from the Pruitt era doesn't hurt the program. It does.

Go Vols!

Recruits today only care about what you’ve done lately. None could give a damn before Heupel. Book it.

 

[DeepSpringsVol]

I believe some of self imposed penalties were fewer off campus recruiting trips by coaches. If thats accepted in today's climate of NIL being above board thats not near as a big an impact as the days of a kid being on fence and the coaches showing up at his parents or grandmas house to sell themselves. Even if we are limited off campus the NIL power players know what to do if we really want a kid, get them signed to deals with network of businesses.

 

[loservol]

Even with a possible bowl ban next season, wouldn't TN still be eligible to play in the SEC Championship?

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Recruits today only care about what you’ve done lately. None could give a damn before Heupel. Book it.

Yah, but life is about more than attracting recruits.

I care that we're in the Top 10 all time. Others care as well. That we can honestly say we're one of the ten winningest programs in major college football.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

There's not going to be any scholarship reductions imposed. The NCAA put out a statement praising UT for it's handling of and and cooperation during the investigation, if they hammer us beyond the already self imposed penalties the NCAA would look terrible. They would in effect tell every other school it's not in your best interest to cooperate.

Hope you are right.

 

[utvolz98]

Yah, but life is about more than attracting recruits.

I care that we're in the Top 10 all time. Others care as well. That we can honestly say we're one of the ten winningest programs in major college football.

A number on a list is great and all, but does it even matter if it’s no longer relevant? Maybe for historical purposes of things and people that life has passed by. But not so much to things that are current or hope to be part of present history. They’ll climb back into the top ten even if they drop out.

 

[DeepSpringsVol]

Even with a possible bowl ban next season, wouldn't TN still be eligible to play in the SEC Championship?

Well it would likely read as Post season ban including Bowl games or conference championship games.

 

[Hank Bukowski]

I think we would already know if they were. Plus we got rid of all the idiotic coaches who were involved so I don’t see any reason to punish those that had nothing to do with it

I do believe that this is also why the involved players left…or were strongly encouraged to transfer. This gives the university solid ground to make the case that ALL the people involved—coaches, players, and staff — are gone by the university’s own hand, own housekeeping. This is also grounds to make the case that any punishments would be punishing the wrong people, i.e. the remaining coaches, players, and staff who did nothing wrong. We immediately got rid of all the bad apples of our own accord…we punished ourselves and our program sufficiently.

If that was the strategy, I surely hope it works.

 

[EaglesVols91]

I do believe that this is also why the involved players left…or were strongly encouraged to transfer. This gives the university solid ground to make the case that ALL the people involved—coaches, players, and staff — are gone by the university’s own hand, own housekeeping. This is also grounds to make the case that any punishments would be punishing the wrong people, i.e. the remaining coaches, players, and staff who did nothing wrong. We immediately got rid of all the bad apples of our own accord…we punished ourselves and our program sufficiently.

If that was the strategy, I surely hope it works.

Even the AD Fulmer is gone. Literally nobody left. If they try to punish then it will be appealed

 

[stolitonic]

Didn’t they announce mizzou’s punishment in November, right around the time of the game that was for the 6th win or 7th loss?

Big difference here
If the Missouri football team ceased to exist tonight, would anyone really care other than maybe the players and the coaches who are getting paid? Hell, they would mostly just go on to play and coach other places.

Misery shot themselves in the foot 7-8 years ago when they went ultra-woke. Finkell (Pinkell???) lost the team then and I don't think Odom or Eli has gotten them back yet.

UT, now we are talking. 18 months ago, we were maybe just a notch above Misery on the totem pole. Things have changed. Bigly.

We're the new hotness. Money is flowing left and right and all parties involved are getting fat, dumb, and happy. The fanbase is parting with the money easily as we were starved to win and now we're gluttons.

NCAA is really NC$$ in the bitter brutal end. Their job is to keep the money flowing. We as a fanbase turn into penny punching misers overnight and we could be in trouble. Otherwise, all factors considered and the program being where it is at this moment-slap on the wrist and nothing more. Nobody. And I do mean nobody is dumb enough to stop the money train

Even the NCAA.

 

[CascadeVolunteer]

We have already been punished. Vacate the 18’ 19 20’ season. Not like we don’t ever want to remember them. Harm enough done.

 

[Johnnyreb#VFL]

Interesting. Many on here have said the NCAA is done and they have no power anymore. So why should this matter?

Exactly.
I mean if you broke the rules you broke the rules-expect the consequences. Even if the NCAA is disbanded, what UT did was a big no no and still under sanctions of the NCAA. Sure they got rid of all the idiots who cheated, but the University of Tennessee Athletics Department is being investigated here. Not Pruitt or Fulmer.

To me, It’s like saying I stole a bunch of money and went to jail, but now that we have a new governor, it didn’t happen and I can be absolved.

 

[BanditVol]

I hope the NCAA isn't thinking of saying Tennessee can't go to a Bowl Game this season and or next Season.

They rarely penalize the post season much anymore. In fact, the only team that comes to mind the last 10 years is Ole Miss, and I'm not even sure of that.

 

[90 Vol]

Exactly.
I mean if you broke the rules you broke the rules-expect the consequences. Even if the NCAA is disbanded, what UT did was a big no no and still under sanctions of the NCAA. Sure they got rid of all the idiots who cheated, but the University of Tennessee Athletics Department is being investigated here. Not Pruitt or Fulmer.

To me, It’s like saying I stole a bunch of money and went to jail, but now that we have a new governor, it didn’t happen and I can be absolved.

No, it’s not the same thing. If you commit a crime, you can either turn yourself in or go on the run and make the cops try to catch you. If you turn yourself in and cooperate, the cops use leniency as an incentive to cooperate. However, if you turn yourself in and cooperate and still get hammered, you might as well make a run for it.

 

[utvols74]

The NCAA is as relevant as a 8-track tape player.

 

[90 Vol]

If the NCAA hands down anything of substance after praising us, no school should ever cooperate with the NCAA again for anything. Instead, you circle the wagons and go to war.