Tennessee Vols Basketball Recruiting

[golfballs]

Doubt it

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Not sure about how Barnes would feel about taking Lanier’s guy, and what back story there could be to him leaving…also not sure they want to take 2 guys 6’ or less, and they’ve committed to Collins.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

Not sure about how Barnes would feel about taking Lanier’s guy, and what back story there could be to him leaving…also not sure they want to take 2 guys 6’ or less, and they’ve committed to Collins.

If the SMU kid is in the portal, how is that "taking Lanier's guy" if he is losing him in the first place? He's transferring, so if anything I figure Lanier wouldn't mind a kid leaving his program go play for Barnes who he respects and admires.

 

[Jimmy Football]

If the SMU kid is in the portal, how is that "taking Lanier's guy" if he is losing him in the first place? He's transferring, so if anything I figure Lanier wouldn't mind a kid leaving his program go play for Barnes who he respects and admires.

Barnes can’t worry about that anyway. His duty is to Tennessee, not Rob Lanier.

 

[cncchris33]

If the SMU kid is in the portal, how is that "taking Lanier's guy" if he is losing him in the first place? He's transferring, so if anything I figure Lanier wouldn't mind a kid leaving his program go play for Barnes who he respects and admires.

Not to mention he was never really Lanier's to begin with. If Rob is wanting to do right by the kid, then help place him somewhere where he knows the kid can succeed and play for a man that he trusts.

On the flipside, perhaps Lanier has already detected some issues that would make the kid a bad fit for Tennessee and would encourage Barnes and staff not to pursue.

I guess that is a two-way street.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

Not to mention he was never really Lanier's to begin with. If Rob is wanting to do right by the kid, then help place him somewhere where he knows the kid can succeed and play for a man that he trusts.

On the flipside, perhaps Lanier has already detected some issues that would make the kid a bad fit for Tennessee and would discourage Barnes and staff not to pursue.

I guess that is a two-way street.

True in both regards. I just don't view this as taking someone's player when he is in the portal and has no intention of returning to SMU. It's not like we illegally contacted Davis and asked him to go into the portal and did some shady stuff. He's in the portal so he's fair game, IMO.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

To be fair though, Davis isn't "Lanier's guy." He's a graduating senior that already transferred once from TCU to SMU and is now looking to play another season somewhere else since there is a new staff in town. He played a ton of minutes and was their main scorer though. Even without Collins he wouldn't be playing that type of role here with ZZ, Santi, ON, JJJ returning.

I feel like we're less attractive to high minute starters or major scorers than we are to a guy like Collins. Yuri is looking to improve his stock and has no issue being a distributor. Davis has been a 10+ FGA a night guy for 3 seasons at SMU...don't know if he'd be interested in coming here and having less minutes and less opportunities to get shots up.

He's almost a smaller version of what Key offers.

Last full season stats:
Davis - 34.6 mpg, 19.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 4.4 apg, 43.9% FG, 37.2% 3PT, 86.8% FT, 1.5 spg, 2.7 tovs
Key - 34.0 mpg, 17.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.0 apg, 47.2% FG, 31.6% 3PT, 83.8% FT, 1.1 spg, 1.8 tovs

Key has more size. And if ya land Yuri, Davis would be more likely to play the off guard spot. So in that role would he be an upgrade over Key?

 

[cncchris33]

To be fair though, Davis isn't "Lanier's guy." He's a graduating senior that already transferred once from TCU to SMU and is now looking to play another season somewhere else since there is a new staff in town. He played a ton of minutes and was their main scorer though. Even without Collins he wouldn't be playing that type of role here with ZZ, Santi, ON, JJJ returning.

I feel like we're less attractive to high minute starters or major scorers than we are to a guy like Collins. Yuri is looking to improve his stock and has no issue being a distributor. Davis has been a 10+ FGA a night guy for 3 seasons at SMU...don't know if he'd be interested in coming here and having less minutes and less opportunities to get shots up.

He's almost a smaller version of what Key offers.

Last full season stats:
Davis - 34.6 mpg, 19.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 4.4 apg, 43.9% FG, 37.2% 3PT, 86.8% FT, 1.5 spg, 2.7 tovs
Key - 34.0 mpg, 17.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.0 apg, 47.2% FG, 31.6% 3PT, 83.8% FT, 1.1 spg, 1.8 tovs

Key has more size. And if ya land Yuri, Davis would be more likely to play the off guard spot. So in that role would he be an upgrade over Key?

There is no way the staff is taking both Collins and Davis. No room at the inn for two 6'0 point guards when you already have a 5'9 point guard on the roster. It's an either/or situation, and Collins seems to be the guy they are committed to despite not technically even being in the portal.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

There is no way the staff is taking both Collins and Davis. No room at the inn for two 6'0 point guards when you already have a 5'9 point guard on the roster. It's an either/or situation, and Collins seems to be the guy they are committed to despite not technically even being in the portal.

Exactly. As bTo has pointed out it would have to be Collins OR Davis, and the staff seems to prefer Collins at this point. You also still have Pack...who I could see making a case to take over Yuri or Davis depending on what sort of role ya want and what you value.

It'll come down to pecking order and who ya can land...ya land Yuri and Davis/Pack aren't likely being pursued anymore. Ya don't land Yuri and then who do ya prefer in Pack/Davis?

Same thing with Murray OR Key. Soon as Murray made his decision we quickly saw Key was being brought in.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

If the SMU kid is in the portal, how is that "taking Lanier's guy" if he is losing him in the first place? He's transferring, so if anything I figure Lanier wouldn't mind a kid leaving his program go play for Barnes who he respects and admires.

Maybe Lanier would feel like he would’ve considered a return to SMU? Again there likely would also be discussions as to why he left SMU, lots of time there’s a lot of background done. And again the bigger reason, the staff is already committed to Collins and I don’t think they’d bring in 2 guys sub 6’, could be wrong.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

True in both regards. I just don't view this as taking someone's player when he is in the portal and has no intention of returning to SMU. It's not like we illegally contacted Davis and asked him to go into the portal and did some shady stuff. He's in the portal so he's fair game, IMO.

Maybe shouldn’t have included that part, the rest stands tho.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

To be fair though, Davis isn't "Lanier's guy." He's a graduating senior that already transferred once from TCU to SMU and is now looking to play another season somewhere else since there is a new staff in town. He played a ton of minutes and was their main scorer though. Even without Collins he wouldn't be playing that type of role here with ZZ, Santi, ON, JJJ returning.

I feel like we're less attractive to high minute starters or major scorers than we are to a guy like Collins. Yuri is looking to improve his stock and has no issue being a distributor. Davis has been a 10+ FGA a night guy for 3 seasons at SMU...don't know if he'd be interested in coming here and having less minutes and less opportunities to get shots up.

He's almost a smaller version of what Key offers.

Last full season stats:
Davis - 34.6 mpg, 19.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 4.4 apg, 43.9% FG, 37.2% 3PT, 86.8% FT, 1.5 spg, 2.7 tovs
Key - 34.0 mpg, 17.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.0 apg, 47.2% FG, 31.6% 3PT, 83.8% FT, 1.1 spg, 1.8 tovs

Key has more size. And if ya land Yuri, Davis would be more likely to play the off guard spot. So in that role would he be an upgrade over Key?

This is a good point and likely a big attraction to Collins…you lose KC/Fulk/BHH who took 20 FGA/game, if you’re looking at adding 4 players I’m not sure you have room for 1 of those guys to be someone who is looking to shoot 14 times a game, and is a bit of a volume shooter.

 

[golfballs]

Not sure about how Barnes would feel about taking Lanier’s guy, and what back story there could be to him leaving…also not sure they want to take 2 guys 6’ or less, and they’ve committed to Collins.

Collins is a done deal?

 

[golfballs]

This is a good point and likely a big attraction to Collins…you lose KC/Fulk/BHH who took 20 FGA/game, if you’re looking at adding 4 players I’m not sure you have room for 1 of those guys to be someone who is looking to shoot 14 times a game, and is a bit of a volume shooter.

A volume shooter is someone who scores a lot of point only because they take a lot. Davis is very efficient. Better shooting numbers across the board than Collins. Also, Davis shoots it less than Key did in his last season and just slightly more than KC did this year

 

[Vols8086]

Collins is a done deal?

Supposedly and has been for a little bit.

But don't tell that to @cardvolfan. Our program would never talk to a kid at another school that isn't officially in the transfer portal. We are above operating in the gray areas.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Collins is a done deal?

The staff is operating that way, could something change? I guess. But this has been the move for awhile.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

A volume shooter is someone who scores a lot of point only because they take a lot. Davis is very efficient. Better shooting numbers across the board than Collins. Also, Davis shoots it less than Key did in his last season and just slightly more than KC did this year

That’s not accurate from the stats I saw? Also, I think Key would be very ok with not being “the guy”, I don’t see that as the case for Davis or Pack. And nobody is claiming Collins to be a big time scorer.

 

[VolOnthePlains]

Doesn’t seem fair/accurate to label the guy who literally led the entire country in assists a “volume shooter”

 

[golfballs]

That’s not accurate from the stats I saw? Also, I think Key would be very ok with not being “the guy”, I don’t see that as the case for Davis or Pack. And nobody is claiming Collins to be a big time scorer.

As a percentage of their teams shots when they are on the floor. Key 27.8% and Davis 26.6%. I would assume Key is OK w that role but that was also what I was mentioning a few days ago about fit. Collins isn’t a big time scorer and he’s also not efficient. Davis is a more efficient scorer with higher usage. Thing is, if we’re looking for someone to step in to backfill for Chandler, Davis is going to be a lot closer than Collins. Given our front court situation seems like that would be preferable.

 

[Yeiser10]

The staff is operating that way, could something change? I guess. But this has been the move for awhile.

Collins can play. Will be a great pick up imo. Obviously not Chandler, but can help fill that void. I wonder if he would stay for both years at TN, or move onto the NBA after next.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

As a percentage of their teams shots when they are on the floor. Key 27.8% and Davis 26.6%. I would assume Key is OK w that role but that was also what I was mentioning a few days ago about fit. Collins isn’t a big time scorer and he’s also not efficient. Davis is a more efficient scorer with higher usage. Thing is, if we’re looking for someone to step in to backfill for Chandler, Davis is going to be a lot closer than Collins. Given our front court situation seems like that would be preferable.

Gotcha, I was looking at FGA…Collins was also named to All-Defense team which is something Davis wasn’t, for whatever that is worth. Chandler definitely was more of a scorer than what Collins would bring, and I’m not putting down Davis, he likely is top transfer available, and I haven’t stated Collins is the better player, I just don’t see the pursuit happening as then you risk missing both.

 

[Schasz]

There is no way the staff is taking both Collins and Davis. No room at the inn for two 6'0 point guards when you already have a 5'9 point guard on the roster. It's an either/or situation, and Collins seems to be the guy they are committed to despite not technically even being in the portal.

Being a big fan of both Saint Louis U and UT makes your last statement in this post still a head scratcher. To my knowledge Yuri Collins isn't in the transfer. He only stated he is doing a NBA evaluation, and everyone knows he's not NBA ready player. So when I see things like Yuri has been on campus and he's a sure thing it makes me wonder what really is going on. Either way I'll be watching him play on one of my favorite college teams.

 

[golfballs]

Gotcha, I was looking at FGA…Collins was also named to All-Defense team which is something Davis wasn’t, for whatever that is worth. Chandler definitely was more of a scorer than what Collins would bring, and I’m not putting down Davis, he likely is top transfer available, and I haven’t stated Collins is the better player, I just don’t see the pursuit happening as then you risk missing both.

Yeah I get it. If they choose not to pursue someone then they have their reasons, but considering they reached out to Pack seems surprising they wouldn’t at least test the waters w Davis.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Being a big fan of both Saint Louis U and UT makes your last statement in this post still a head scratcher. To my knowledge Yuri Collins isn't in the transfer. He only stated he is doing a NBA evaluation, and everyone knows he's not NBA ready player. So when I see things like Yuri has been on campus and he's a sure thing it makes me wonder what really is going on. Either way I'll be watching him play on one of my favorite college teams.

Nobody has stated he’s been on UT’s campus

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Yeah I get it. If they choose not to pursue someone then they have their reasons, but considering they reached out to Pack seems surprising they wouldn’t at least test the waters w Davis.

Pack has some 2 guard to his game, that’s actually what he played at K State this past year, and I’m not actually sure just how much legit reaching out there was there. Maybe I should back off a bit on my take with Davis, they very well may reach out and gauge interest and if they feel he’s theirs to lose they probably take a run at him…90% of the guys who enter the portal though already have a pretty good idea in mind of where they’re going.