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TennaciousD957 said:
"Im not sure Pember will ever contribute let alone as a freshman."


Pember is a top 200 player in the country. He is a highly rated 3 star and the 5th ranked player in Tennessee. To say he may not contribute as a freshman is fair (and truthfully fair for all players not ranked in the top 50 or so - even DJ Burns who was a borderline top 100 wasn't ready to as a freshman). However, to say you don't think he may ever contribute is a gross exaggeration based on nothing. Gaines is actually the lowest ranked player in the signing class at 229. This is not a personal slight to you either as this seems to be a very common thought process on Pember. I just don't really see where it is coming from.
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Agreed, he's already offensively better than Fulkerson. The thing about Drew that I really like is if you watch the kid play you see that his body isn't just skin, he's got more size than Gaines does and he also plays very active, he's really more of a wing than a big man right now coming out of HS. So I'm not sure if he'll be able to step in and rebound/shot block on the same level as Kyle but I think offensively he's already more polished than Kyle was.
 
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I've said it before but put me in the category of thinking Pember likely never contributes. I didn't come to that opinion until seeing the kid play
 
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BruinVol said:
I've said it before but put me in the category of thinking Pember likely never contributes. I didn't come to that opinion until seeing the kid play
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I guess I'd have to wonder what your definition of "contributes" is...do you consider Pons or Fulkerson to be contributing?

Honestly my biggest concern/worry with Drew is injuries. If he's healthy enough to be on the court I think he'll have the chance to play and contribute.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I guess I'd have to wonder what your definition of "contributes" is...do you consider Pons or Fulkerson to be contributing?

Honestly my biggest concern/worry with Drew is injuries. If he's healthy enough to be on the court I think he'll have the chance to play and contribute.
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Pons and fulky yes. Walker just a little. Kent is clearly a no
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Agreed, he's already offensively better than Fulkerson. The thing about Drew that I really like is if you watch the kid play you see that his body isn't just skin, he's got more size than Gaines does and he also plays very active, he's really more of a wing than a big man right now coming out of HS. So I'm not sure if he'll be able to step in and rebound/shock block on the same level as Kyle but I think offensively he's already more polished than Kyle was.
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Drew's problem is not on the offensive end. It is his ability to defend and rebound at this level. I have some similar concerns about Gaines. No way Drew can defend a four or five right now. He would get pushed right under the basket. I doubt he is quick enough to stay in front of a three. I hope in a couple of years he could get there but he is not going to be ready as a freshman. I have some doubts about Pember and Gaines ability to ever contribute. Best case in my mind is as Jr.'s they can help out.
 
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#132
MoCo_Vol said:
Pember Highlights


He's really good offensively already with handling the ball, passing, and shooting. His biggest question mark is really is he big and strong enough to rebound and play inside.
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First time I have seen him play and I am impressed with his offensive skills. Also, he moves like a smaller guy and is not spastic at all. He puts on a few lbs of muscle and I can see him playing quite a bit next year - if Grant leaves. I wouldn't be surprised to see Pons at the 4 or even the 5 some next year. I think he may be more comfortable down low.
 
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VOLED said:
First time I have seen him play and I am impressed with his offensive skills. Also, he moves like a smaller guy and is not spastic at all. He puts on a few lbs of muscle and I can see him playing quite a bit next year - if Grant leaves. I wouldn't be surprised to see Pons at the 4 or even the 5 some next year. I think he may be more comfortable down low.
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Reminds me of Fulkerson but much less limited offensively. If he can at least provide energy and active hands on defense and sit in the corner on threes that'll help out.
 
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On 247 they compare Drew Pember to Nate Reuvers. Which I think is a bit generous to Drew Pember. I'd say Drew Pember is maybe a poor-mans Nate Reuvers which really isn't saying much. Maybe Drew Pember will be a decent role player by his third year? Hard to say.
 
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Vols410 said:
Reminds me of Fulkerson but much less limited offensively. If he can at least provide energy and active hands on defense and sit in the corner on threes that'll help out.
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Kind of reminds me of Luke Mayes.
 
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Thing is Barnes & staff can coach players to defend better. I think Pember already having the offense will be a benefit.

I'm not sure if he's quick enough to stay with a 3, depends on how fast the 3 is I guess. But on the other side he'll be a mismatch on the perimeter for any 4 or 5 that tries to guard him since he's comfortable handling the ball. And he can shoot over any 3 that he can't go around.

I like the kid, and I'm pretty excited for him. Most the local scout guys in the area that cover HS say that he could have easily been a 20/10 guy in HS if the guard talent at Bearden wasn't so high so he didn't need to score.
 
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I think the biggest problem with evaluating Pember is that people expect him to play the 5 because of his height. On that front I completely agree that Pember may never contribute at the at UT. As a freshman he likely will not be able to contribute at the 4 either. The good news is that he doesn't need to play the 4 as a freshman. Burns, Walker, Fulky will be playing the 4 as will Grant and or Kent if either of those guys are on the team next year. If Pember can contribute next year it will be as a spot of 3 point shooter that will be a mismatch for the other guys 3. I think he has a chance to contribute for UT in that way for his entire career. If we only get that out of him, then it will be a win (think Lee Murphy at UF, except 6-10). If he can put on more good weight and maintain his athleticism, then he may also be able to play stretch 4 for us. If he only ever turns to be a set 3 point shooter then its a win, but if he can develop defensively (size and technique) enough to be able to guard the 4 spot than it will be another Barnes developmental success.
 
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TennaciousD957 said:
I think the biggest problem with evaluating Pember is that people expect him to play the 5 because of his height. On that front I completely agree that Pember may never contribute at the at UT. As a freshman he likely will not be able to contribute at the 4 either. The good news is that he doesn't need to play the 4 as a freshman. Burns, Walker, Fulky will be playing the 4 as will Grant and or Kent if either of those guys are on the team next year. If Pember can contribute next year it will be as a spot of 3 point shooter that will be a mismatch for the other guys 3. I think he has a chance to contribute for UT in that way for his entire career. If we only get that out of him, then it will be a win (think Lee Murphy at UF, except 6-10). If he can put on more good weight and maintain his athleticism, then he may also be able to play stretch 4 for us. If he only ever turns to be a set 3 point shooter then its a win, but if he can develop defensively (size and technique) enough to be able to guard the 4 spot than it will be another Barnes developmental success.
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Lee Humphrey or Erik Murphy from Florida? It feels like you meant Lee Humphrey, but Erik Murphy isn’t a bad comp, either. Probably a better comp, to be honest.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Lee Humphrey or Erik Murphy from Florida? It feels like you meant Lee Humphrey, but Erik Murphy isn’t a bad comp, either. Probably a better comp, to be honest.
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I can buy what you are selling here. Murphy is a great example of Pember's ceiling. Nice. I think we could all agree that the career below would be useful. Will Pember get there? I think he has a chance. Murphy Was Ranked 79th.

Totals Totals Shooting Per Game
Season Age College G MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST
2009-10 19 FLORIDA 33 299 48 80 0 0 19 30 33 79 8 12 8 20 51 115 .600 .633 9.1 3.5 2.4 0.2
2010-11 20 FLORIDA 33 355 54 105 12 30 21 28 27 75 8 5 15 24 55 141 .514 .400 .750 10.8 4.3 2.3 0.2
2011-12 21 FLORIDA 34 882 131 270 59 140 35 43 42 154 29 18 37 44 90 356 .485 .421 .814 25.9 10.5 4.5 0.9
2012-13 22 FLORIDA 36 952 164 318 72 159 40 51 58 199 50 23 25 51 101 440 .516 .453 .784 26.4 12.2 5.5 1.4
 
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#146
TennaciousD957 said:
I think the biggest problem with evaluating Pember is that people expect him to play the 5 because of his height. On that front I completely agree that Pember may never contribute at the at UT. As a freshman he likely will not be able to contribute at the 4 either. The good news is that he doesn't need to play the 4 as a freshman. Burns, Walker, Fulky will be playing the 4 as will Grant and or Kent if either of those guys are on the team next year. If Pember can contribute next year it will be as a spot of 3 point shooter that will be a mismatch for the other guys 3. I think he has a chance to contribute for UT in that way for his entire career. If we only get that out of him, then it will be a win (think Lee Murphy at UF, except 6-10). If he can put on more good weight and maintain his athleticism, then he may also be able to play stretch 4 for us. If he only ever turns to be a set 3 point shooter then its a win, but if he can develop defensively (size and technique) enough to be able to guard the 4 spot than it will be another Barnes developmental success.
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A stretch 4 is exactly what we've needed too. I'd love if he could fill that role.
 
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TennaciousD957 said:
I think the biggest problem with evaluating Pember is that people expect him to play the 5 because of his height. On that front I completely agree that Pember may never contribute at the at UT. As a freshman he likely will not be able to contribute at the 4 either. The good news is that he doesn't need to play the 4 as a freshman. Burns, Walker, Fulky will be playing the 4 as will Grant and or Kent if either of those guys are on the team next year. If Pember can contribute next year it will be as a spot of 3 point shooter that will be a mismatch for the other guys 3. I think he has a chance to contribute for UT in that way for his entire career. If we only get that out of him, then it will be a win (think Lee Murphy at UF, except 6-10). If he can put on more good weight and maintain his athleticism, then he may also be able to play stretch 4 for us. If he only ever turns to be a set 3 point shooter then its a win, but if he can develop defensively (size and technique) enough to be able to guard the 4 spot than it will be another Barnes developmental success.
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I don’t think anyone saw him as a five.
 
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