Texas A&M coming to the SEC????

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#526
Btw, how strongly are ole miss and miss St tied to the teams in the western division, rivalry wise? Just wondering
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#529
#529
utvolpj said:
it was one of the main things in the first expansion. No way it gets dismissed that easy
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It's probably a little different now. I have a hard time seeing everyone passing up on all the money so UT can play Bama and AU can play Georgia.
 
#530
#530
Without getting into how the SEC would be divided...Getting into the Dallas/Ft. Worth TV market is the driving force for the SEC in this. As for recruiting, something that isin't being mentioned is who will Texas play if they go independent? Notre Dame has a tradition with the Big Ten schools and the Big East, because of the other sports. What does Texas have? The conference hates them, A&M, OU, Tech, none of them feel the need to keep their rivalries alive if it means playing ball with LHN/Espn.

In the short term Texas will be fine, long term is a different story. If the the SEC gets into Texas and Texas ends up like Notre Dame the last 10 years or so, well, they'll be plenty of kids like Santos that prefer the SEC brand.
 
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#531
I keep hearing NC team options. I haven't seen Wake Forest Mentioned. Could they be lured away. I am not saying that I want them, but if the NC market is desirable and NCSt, Duke, or UNC aren't biting, then why not? I, for one, would rather not add another powerhouse football team to the conference. Things are already tough enough. I would rather have UVA over VaTech for the same reasons. This all seems to be about TV than anything. Kinda the wuss way out and not nearly as exciting, but it would balance things and not make the league impossibly tough. Otherwise, without a playoff, I could see the SEC playing itself out of the NC game in no time flat.
 
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vol66 said:
Without getting into how the SEC would be divided...Getting into the Dallas/Ft. Worth TV market is the driving force for the SEC in this. As for recruiting, something that isin't being mentioned is who will Texas play if they go independent? Notre Dame has a tradition with the Big Ten schools and the Big East, because of the other sports. What does Texas have? The conference hates them, A&M, OU, Tech, none of them feel the need to keep their rivalries alive if it means playing ball with LHN/Espn.

In the short term Texas will be fine, long term is a different story. If the the SEC gets into Texas and Texas ends up like Notre Dame the last 10 years or so, well, they'll be plenty of kids like Santos that prefer the SEC brand.
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No. Texas gets whoever they want out of Texas.
 
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NeylandArmy said:
I keep hearing NC team options. I haven't seen Wake Forest Mentioned. Could they be lured away. I am not saying that I want them, but if the NC market is desirable and NCSt, Duke, or UNC aren't biting, then why not? I, for one, would rather not add another powerhouse football team to the conference. Things are already tough enough. I would rather have UVA over VaTech for the same reasons. This all seems to be about TV than anything. Kinda the wuss way out and not nearly as exciting, but it would balance things and not make the league impossibly tough. Otherwise, without a playoff, I could see the SEC playing itself out of the NC game in no time flat.
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The problem with adding those crappy teams is that they have no fanbase. There has to be an established fanbase to get the TV numbers- a move to the SEC won't suddenly create a bunch of Deacon fans.

UVa is a horrible option. They aren't anywhere close to being the number one team in the state, and UVa students and alumni generally couldn't care less about football, which is the driving force in this business. There aren't many UVa fans left.
 
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tvolsfan said:
It's probably a little different now. I have a hard time seeing everyone passing up on all the money so UT can play Bama and AU can play Georgia.
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The thing is losing a classic rivalry can slowly kill a conference. The OU-Neb game was the Big 8. When the BigXII went to North-South and that game was only played twice every 6 years, Nebraska started to feel like second class citizens in the conference that they basically had run from the beginning. Eventually that feeling caused the BigXII to blow up.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Why on Earth would the SEC be interested in NC State?
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Enrollment:

1. Ohio State 52,586
2. Florida 51,913
3. Arizona State 51,481
4. Minnesota 50,880
5. Texas 50,201
6. Texas A&M 46,452
7. Michigan State 46,045
8. Penn State 43,252
9. Wisconsin 42,041
10. Washington 42,000
11. Florida State 41,575
12. Illinois 41,398
13. South Florida 41,392
14. Purdue 39,102
15. Indiana 38,247
16. Michigan 38,006
17. UCLA 38,000
18. Arizona 37,000
19. Maryland 36,014
20. Cincinnati 35,244
21. Rutgers 35,000
22. California 33,933
23. Pitt 33,574
24. Georgia 33,405
25. USC 33,000
26. N.C. State 31,802
27. Oklahoma State 31,800
28. Iowa 30,409
29. Oklahoma 29,721
30. Kansas 29,624
31. LSU 29,371
32. Virginia Tech 29,000
33. Texas Tech 29,000
34. Colorado 28,624
35. North Carolina 28,200
36. West Virginia 27,115
37. Missouri 27,088
38. South Carolina 27,065
39. Kentucky 27,000
40. Tennessee 26,560
41. Louisville 24,000
42. Alabama 23,878
43. Iowa State 23,710
44. Auburn 23,547
45. Kansas State 23,317
46. Washington State 23,300
47. Nebraska 22,000
48. Virginia 20,834
49. Oregon 20,338
50. Arkansas 19,191
51. Oregon State 19,300
52. Georgia Tech 18,000
53. Clemson 17,585
54. Ole Miss 17,325
55. Connecticut 16,347
56. Mississippi State 15,934
57. Miami 15,400
58. Boston College 14,395
59. Baylor 14,040
60. Stanford 13,075
61. Duke 12,991
62. Notre Dame 11,603
63. Syracuse 11,000
64. Northwestern 7,800
65. Wake Forest 6,500
66. Vanderbilt 6,402


Not saying it's a big deal or anything when you look at the success some schools with smaller enrollments have in sports. But NC State would have the 3rd largest enrollment given the current format. Behind only Florida and Georgia.
 
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vol66 said:
Without getting into how the SEC would be divided...Getting into the Dallas/Ft. Worth TV market is the driving force for the SEC in this. As for recruiting, something that isin't being mentioned is who will Texas play if they go independent? Notre Dame has a tradition with the Big Ten schools and the Big East, because of the other sports. What does Texas have? The conference hates them, A&M, OU, Tech, none of them feel the need to keep their rivalries alive if it means playing ball with LHN/Espn.

In the short term Texas will be fine, long term is a different story. If the the SEC gets into Texas and Texas ends up like Notre Dame the last 10 years or so, well, they'll be plenty of kids like Santos that prefer the SEC brand.
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Because teams will want to recruit Texas, I don't think they'll have a hard time.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Enrollment:

1. Ohio State 52,586
2. Florida 51,913
3. Arizona State 51,481
4. Minnesota 50,880
5. Texas 50,201
6. Texas A&M 46,452
7. Michigan State 46,045
8. Penn State 43,252
9. Wisconsin 42,041
10. Washington 42,000
11. Florida State 41,575
12. Illinois 41,398
13. South Florida 41,392
14. Purdue 39,102
15. Indiana 38,247
16. Michigan 38,006
17. UCLA 38,000
18. Arizona 37,000
19. Maryland 36,014
20. Cincinnati 35,244
21. Rutgers 35,000
22. California 33,933
23. Pitt 33,574
24. Georgia 33,405
25. USC 33,000
26. N.C. State 31,802
27. Oklahoma State 31,800
28. Iowa 30,409
29. Oklahoma 29,721
30. Kansas 29,624
31. LSU 29,371
32. Virginia Tech 29,000
33. Texas Tech 29,000
34. Colorado 28,624
35. North Carolina 28,200
36. West Virginia 27,115
37. Missouri 27,088
38. South Carolina 27,065
39. Kentucky 27,000
40. Tennessee 26,560
41. Louisville 24,000
42. Alabama 23,878
43. Iowa State 23,710
44. Auburn 23,547
45. Kansas State 23,317
46. Washington State 23,300
47. Nebraska 22,000
48. Virginia 20,834
49. Oregon 20,338
50. Arkansas 19,191
51. Oregon State 19,300
52. Georgia Tech 18,000
53. Clemson 17,585
54. Ole Miss 17,325
55. Connecticut 16,347
56. Mississippi State 15,934
57. Miami 15,400
58. Boston College 14,395
59. Baylor 14,040
60. Stanford 13,075
61. Duke 12,991
62. Notre Dame 11,603
63. Syracuse 11,000
64. Northwestern 7,800
65. Wake Forest 6,500
66. Vanderbilt 6,402


Not saying it's a big deal or anything when you look at the success some schools with smaller enrollments have in sports. But NC State would have the 3rd largest enrollment given the current format. Behind only Florida and Georgia.
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dont forget about A&M
 
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tvolsfan said:
No. Texas gets whoever they want out of Texas. It's not like A&M.
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They do NOW...What happens when they aren't relevent. When Mack is gone? When they are playing BYU instead of OU? When the parents of the kids are having to go a thousand miles for away games like Cal or Michigan State?
We dropped UNC to get extra weeks of practice, why would we schedule Texas? I'm not so sure any SEC team schedules them out of respect for the Aggies.
 
#540
#540
The_Orange_Pearl said:
I know. But nobody is arguing A&M shouldn't be in the SEC.
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that's not true

tvolsfan said:
It's probably a little different now. I have a hard time seeing everyone passing up on all the money so UT can play Bama and AU can play Georgia.
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just don't see the amount of money coming in that leads to getting rid of the things that built this conf.
 
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vol66 said:
Without getting into how the SEC would be divided...Getting into the Dallas/Ft. Worth TV market is the driving force for the SEC in this. As for recruiting, something that isin't being mentioned is who will Texas play if they go independent? Notre Dame has a tradition with the Big Ten schools and the Big East, because of the other sports. What does Texas have? The conference hates them, A&M, OU, Tech, none of them feel the need to keep their
rivalries alive if it means playing ball with LHN/Espn.

In the short term Texas will be fine, long term is a different story. If the the SEC gets into Texas and Texas ends up like Notre Dame the last 10 years or so, well, they'll be plenty of kids like Santos that prefer the SEC brand.
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They'll be as fine as ND is. Note everyone in that conference isn't flipping out at them the same way aTm is.

Pretty sure by law they, tech, aTm (&maybe Baylor) have to still play each other. OU won't give up their rivalry unless their new schedule ever forced them too....outside of those 3-4 games, they can schedule whoever they want for 8-9 other games. And teams aren't going to turn down the money that would come from a big game against Texas because they didn't approve of the manner in which Texas went about this

Bigger concern regarding Texas will be what happens regarding their basketball and other sports teams
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vol66 said:
They do NOW...What happens when they aren't relevent. When Mack is gone? When they are playing BYU instead of OU? When the parents of the kids are having to go a thousand miles for away games like Cal or Michigan State?
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They sucked a while ago and they still got whoever they wanted.

Those kids want to play for Texas.
 
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utvolpj said:
just don't see the amount of money coming in that leads to getting rid of the things that built this conf.
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Possiby, but I don't really know how the decision making process works. Is it the majority of the schools decide? Does the SEC feel like they need Bama and Tennessee's support?
 
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tvolsfan said:
They sucked a while ago and they still got whoever they wanted.

Those kids want to play for Texas.
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I tend to agree, but it'll be interesting to see what happens.

I can see an independent Texas playing a pathetic schedule and undeserving making BCS games every year, honestly.
 
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utvolpj said:
that's not true



just don't see the amount of money coming in that leads to getting rid of the things that built this conf.
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lol

I'll do a better a job of clarifying. I was responding directly to the person who questioned NC State. Texas A&M is the hot topic and it seems like they are done deal if the conference were to expand. Was just pointing out that NC State adds another state and that they would have one of the largest enrollments in the conference.

Personally, I think all conferences should be capped at 12 teams. It was just an idea if the SEC decides to expand.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Possiby, but I don't really know how the decision making process works. Is it the majority of the schools decide? Does the SEC feel like they need Bama and Tennessee's support?
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but it won't be just bama/UT as there are plenty of games that will be affected. They were able to add SC/Ark without changing it up too much but to add a team like tamu and completely change the conf just isn't worth it imo
 
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vol66 said:
They do NOW...What happens when they aren't relevent. When Mack is gone? When they are playing BYU instead of OU? When the parents of the kids are having to go a thousand miles for away games like Cal or Michigan State?
We dropped UNC to get extra weeks of practice, why would we schedule Texas? I'm not so sure any SEC team schedules them out of respect for the Aggies.
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No SEC team is going to avoid scheduling someone "out of respect" for anyone else.....in fact really most colleges aren't going to do such. The people who run Texas aren't foolish enough though to make a move like this without being certain that it's not some bomb waiting to backfire.

And they'll play whoever they want, possibly wherever, most likely in home and home deals
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utvolpj said:
but it won't be just bama/UT as there are plenty of games that will be affected. They were able to add SC/Ark without changing it up too much but to add a team like tamu and completely change the conf just isn't worth it imo
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But I feel like the only ones that matter are UT/Bama, AU/UGA, and possibly LSU/Florida. And I'm not even sure LSU and Florida would care.

I could see the other teams not affected voting to scrap the permanent game. Then again, I just don't know how it works.
 
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utvolpj said:
but it won't be just bama/UT as there are plenty of games that will be affected. They were able to add SC/Ark without changing it up too much but to add a team like tamu and completely change the conf just isn't worth it imo
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So, wouldnt 9 (instead of 8) conference games solve some of this issue?The teams went at least a decade with only being able to schedule 3 OOC games, shouldnt be that hard to give up a western Kentucky each year when teams already schedule 3-4
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