Texas A&M coming to the SEC????

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bamawriter said:
So, I'm going to assume that once you're done paying your bills and your taxes, buying your food, and paying for the fun stuff you do throughout the year, you take all the money you have left over and burn it in your back yard.
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What? You're acting as if someone is just going to give us money for nothing. No, we're debating here adding A&M or just keeping the boatloads of cash we already have and not diluting the conference due to pure greed.
 
#778
#778
I think some people understimate the recruiting advantage and the media. I live inthe middle of VA Tech and UVA. Every Saturday and Sunday the papers and tvs are dominted with a feature story about the Hokies or Hoos. Secondary stories/highlights are the ACC games. All other conferences get a box score unless its a top 5 matchup. Friends will know all the ACC scores and info but know very little about UT and the SEC.

If you add a team like A&M or Va Tech, the exposure to recruits increases exponentially. Now they see you in the paper, on tv and sports talk radio. That's a big reason to add a team in a new market. Especially one like Texas.
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#779
#779
knucklehead_vol said:
Really? The curve is staying ahead of the other conferences. If other conferences weren't trying to out do the SEC I would agree, but to stay ahead of the rest of the conferences this has to happen. And your crazy if you think ATM will not add more viewers to the SEC. Why do you think the current contracts can be renegotiated if the SEC expands, because it becomes worth more if you have more viewers. Also, the number of alum in the Dallas/Houston areas are ridiculous, which would mean more viewers.

Do some research on ATM before you post next time, paw.
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what research should I do? They aren't a great football team- not in their state or in the country. We add a few more viewers in those markets until they end up sucking and people turn the station to the Longhorn network.

If they're such a huge cash cow why is every conf not trying to woo them? I just can't understand how the SEC is the only one smart enough to offer the billionaire aggies
 
#780
#780
utvolpj said:
what curve? Seems the last few NC's would say the SEC is well ahead of it.

we're already on national tv every week so who are we really opening to SEC football? If they wanted to watch they would already. Plus it's not like we're adding the best from that state.

It make the piece of the pie smaller for those teams already in the SEC while allowing some disgruntled teams the opportunity to piggyback off their successes.

Those others need the SEC way more than the SEC needs them



the sets already exist and like I said we aren't grabbing the biggest in the state. If we're going to do it just do it right.
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As of the fall 2008 semester, Texas A&M was the seventh largest American university with an enrollment of 48,039 students pursuing degrees in 10 academic colleges. The student body represents all 50 U.S. states and 130 foreign countries. Texas residents account for 86% of the student population, and 28.9% are either of international origin or members of ethnic minority groups. The student body consists of 46.8% women and 53.2% men.[38]\\

Of course you didn't mention academics so here you go:

The university consistently ranks among the top ten public universities each year in enrollment of National Merit scholars.[43] According to the College Board, the fall 2008 entering freshman class consisted of 54% students in the top 10% of their high school graduating class, 86% in the top quarter, and 99% in the top half.[44] Seventy-four percent of these students took the SAT. The middle 50% of the freshmen had average scores as follows: in critical reading, 520–630, math, 560–670, and in writing 500–610. Twenty-six percent of the incoming freshmen took the ACT, with the middle 50% scoring between a 23 and 29.[Texas A&M consistently scores among the top universities in the United States as determined by various national and international publications. In the 2011 U.S. News and World Report ranking of public universities, Texas A&M is listed 22nd; among "national universities" the school tied for 63rd place.[52][Note 2] According to The Washington Monthly criteria, which considers research, community service, and social mobility, Texas A&M ranks fifth nationally.[53] The John Templeton Foundation listed Texas A&M as one of the thirty-five American college programs that "communicate the values of honesty, trust, respect, responsibility, integrity, and fairness in the classroom".[54] The 2011 Kiplinger's Personal Finance ranked the school as the 23rd best-value public university on the basis of in-state tuition, and the 35th best-value public university on the basis of out-of-state tuition.[55] After conducting a survey of leading employment recruiters, the Wall Street Journal ranked Texas A&M 2nd nationally, as "most likely to help students land a job in key careers and professions".[56][57] In 2009 the National Science Foundation has recognized Texas A&M as one of the top 20 research institutions.[58]

Here are the endowment numbers:
Apart from revenue received from tuition and research grants, the university, as part of the Texas A&M University System (TAMUS), is partially funded from two endowments. The smaller endowment, totaling $1.17 billion in assets, is run by the private Texas A&M Foundation.[4] A larger sum is distributed from the Texas Permanent University Fund (PUF). TAMUS holds a minority stake (one-third) in this fund; the remaining two-thirds belongs to the University of Texas system. As of 2006, the PUF ending net asset value stood at $10.3 billion; $400.7 million was distributed to the two university systems in fiscal year 2007.[64][65] Combined, the total endowment for the TAMUS stands at $5.6 billion, as of 2006.[4]
 
#781
#781
tri_vol said:
I think some people understimate the recruiting advantage and the media. I live inthe middle of VA Tech and UVA. Every Saturday and Sunday the papers and tvs are dominted with a feature story about the Hokies or Hoos. Secondary stories/highlights are the ACC games. All other conferences get a box score unless its a top 5 matchup. Friends will know all the ACC scores and info but know very little about UT and the SEC.

If you add a team like A&M or Va Tech, the exposure to recruits increases exponentially. Now they see you in the paper, on tv and sports talk radio. That's a big reason to add a team in a new market. Especially one like Texas.
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only happens with the local media but that's standard for any place. All the people I talk to know plenty about the SEC and UT. The VT exposure/draw also decreases the farther west you go in VA
 
#782
#782
utvolpj said:
what research should I do? They aren't a great football team- not in their state or in the country. We add a few more viewers in those markets until they end up sucking and people turn the station to the Longhorn network.

If they're such a huge cash cow why is every conf not trying to woo them? I just can't understand how the SEC is the only one smart enough to offer the billionaire aggies
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Obviously the SEC has to add aTm. If the Big East gets a hold of that cash... Watch out!
 
#783
#783
knucklehead_vol said:
As of the fall 2008 semester, Texas A&M was the seventh largest American university with an enrollment of 48,039 students pursuing degrees in 10 academic colleges. The student body represents all 50 U.S. states and 130 foreign countries. Texas residents account for 86% of the student population, and 28.9% are either of international origin or members of ethnic minority groups. The student body consists of 46.8% women and 53.2% men.[38]\\

Of course you didn't mention academics so here you go:

The university consistently ranks among the top ten public universities each year in enrollment of National Merit scholars.[43] According to the College Board, the fall 2008 entering freshman class consisted of 54% students in the top 10% of their high school graduating class, 86% in the top quarter, and 99% in the top half.[44] Seventy-four percent of these students took the SAT. The middle 50% of the freshmen had average scores as follows: in critical reading, 520–630, math, 560–670, and in writing 500–610. Twenty-six percent of the incoming freshmen took the ACT, with the middle 50% scoring between a 23 and 29.[Texas A&M consistently scores among the top universities in the United States as determined by various national and international publications. In the 2011 U.S. News and World Report ranking of public universities, Texas A&M is listed 22nd; among "national universities" the school tied for 63rd place.[52][Note 2] According to The Washington Monthly criteria, which considers research, community service, and social mobility, Texas A&M ranks fifth nationally.[53] The John Templeton Foundation listed Texas A&M as one of the thirty-five American college programs that "communicate the values of honesty, trust, respect, responsibility, integrity, and fairness in the classroom".[54] The 2011 Kiplinger's Personal Finance ranked the school as the 23rd best-value public university on the basis of in-state tuition, and the 35th best-value public university on the basis of out-of-state tuition.[55] After conducting a survey of leading employment recruiters, the Wall Street Journal ranked Texas A&M 2nd nationally, as "most likely to help students land a job in key careers and professions".[56][57] In 2009 the National Science Foundation has recognized Texas A&M as one of the top 20 research institutions.[58]

Here are the endowment numbers:
Apart from revenue received from tuition and research grants, the university, as part of the Texas A&M University System (TAMUS), is partially funded from two endowments. The smaller endowment, totaling $1.17 billion in assets, is run by the private Texas A&M Foundation.[4] A larger sum is distributed from the Texas Permanent University Fund (PUF). TAMUS holds a minority stake (one-third) in this fund; the remaining two-thirds belongs to the University of Texas system. As of 2006, the PUF ending net asset value stood at $10.3 billion; $400.7 million was distributed to the two university systems in fiscal year 2007.[64][65] Combined, the total endowment for the TAMUS stands at $5.6 billion, as of 2006.[4]
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so is their endowment like a dowry and we get a part of it when they join the SEC? If that's what you're implying then count me in :rock:
 
#784
#784
utvolpj said:
what research should I do? They aren't a great football team- not in their state or in the country. We add a few more viewers in those markets until they end up sucking and people turn the station to the Longhorn network.

If they're such a huge cash cow why is every conf not trying to woo them? I just can't understand how the SEC is the only one smart enough to offer the billionaire aggies
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Uh, the pac 12 and big 10 want them, again, do the research, please. And they aren't a bad football team either. Not great, but not bad. Several million viewers is not a few. Texas is the one that will end up sucking. Their record will not be that much better this year than last, and ATM will beat them again.
 
#785
#785
knucklehead_vol said:
Uh, the pac 12 and big 10 want them, again, do the research, please. And they aren't a bad football team either. Not great, but not bad. Several million viewers is not a few. Texas is the one that will end up sucking. Their record will not be that much better this year than last, and ATM will beat them again.
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but the SEC is the only one pretty enough to land the beautiful aggies? Why would they want to go to the SEC unless it was to jump on the gravy train?

and if you're going to use 2-3 years of results to back your case then there are other teams that should come up first. Same with academics
 
#786
#786
utvolpj said:
so is their endowment like a dowry and we get a part of it when they join the SEC? If that's what you're implying then count me in :rock:
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They bring academic relevance to a league with little or none. Vandy and UF and the the rest, as far as academics go. If it wasn't a culture fit, then they would probably go to the big 10, which has much better academia then the SEC. Sorry to hurt your feeling, but its the truth.
 
#787
#787
utvolpj said:
you all seem to really be blowing tamu into this football and money making powerhouse. Sorry but it feels like we're adding another UK just from a bigger state
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Basically the way I see it.

Not quite as bad as UK, though. Somewhere between South Carolina and Arkansas.
 
#789
#789
utvolpj said:
but the SEC is the only one pretty enough to land the beautiful aggies? Why would they want to go to the SEC unless it was to jump on the gravy train?

and if you're going to use 2-3 years of results to back your case then there are other teams that should come up first. Same with academics
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OK who?
 
#790
#790
knucklehead_vol said:
They bring academic relevance to a league with little or none. Vandy and UF and the the rest, as far as academics go. If it wasn't a culture fit, then they would probably go to the big 10, which has much better academia then the SEC. Sorry to hurt your feeling, but its the truth.
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you're not hurting my feelings you're just using random facts to back your believe that the aggies will help UT football. Since when did Vandy's academics help UT land a recruit, a coach or make a booster write a check?

and you didn't answer my question- do we get a cut of their endowment as a cover charge for entering our club?
 
#791
#791
It's not like the Pac 10 hasn't looked at them multiple times. We're just the first to look at them solo. It's also the first time they've said enough is enough and decided to break from Texas.

If you don't understand that they are fairly close to Houston (#4 media market?), student body of 50K at a time, and even as #2 team in Texas will probably come in in the top half, if not third of fanbase size, then I don't know what to tell you.
 
#792
#792
utvolpj said:
you're not hurting my feelings you're just using random facts to back your believe that the aggies will help UT football. Since when did Vandy's academics help UT land a recruit, a coach or make a booster write a check?

and you didn't answer my question- do we get a cut of their endowment as a cover charge for entering our club?
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When I am able to sit in on these meetings I'll let you know, but it does add relevance for totals to the league.

And I never said it would help UT, it will help the SEC which in turn helps UT.
 
#794
#794
they want to join the sec because they are butt hurt that texas is so much more important than they are. they have a nice fanbase and decent, not great, programs. i'd say they add to the sec on average.
 
#795
#795
tigervol9802 said:
It's not like the Pac 10 hasn't looked at them multiple times. We're just the first to look at them solo. It's also the first time they've said enough is enough and decided to break from Texas.

If you don't understand that they are fairly close to Houston (#4 media market?), student body of 50K at a time, and even as #2 team in Texas will probably come in in the top half, if not third of fanbase size, then I don't know what to tell you.
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Again, your being logical in your thinking. Not going to happen with others.
 
#797
#797
tigervol9802 said:
It's not like the Pac 10 hasn't looked at them multiple times. We're just the first to look at them solo. It's also the first time they've said enough is enough and decided to break from Texas.

If you don't understand that they are fairly close to Houston (#4 media market?), student body of 50K at a time, and even as #2 team in Texas will probably come in in the top half, if not third of fanbase size, then I don't know what to tell you.
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they dont' want to go to the pac-10. their fanbase couldn't handle being in the same conference with those hippies and liberals.
 
#798
#798
knucklehead_vol said:
When I am able to sit in on these meetings I'll let you know, but it does add relevance for totals to the league.
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and that helps football how?

knucklehead_vol said:
And I never said it would help UT, it will help the SEC which in turn helps UT.
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how does Vandy's academic program help the SEC or UT right now?

knucklehead_vol said:
Mention the teams, or you are blindly throwing out remarks which is bs.
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which you've been doing the whole time! Maybe a .500 team is the best we should hope for and we'll just enjoy the wins we get against them. Really can't understand the love
 
#800
#800
knucklehead_vol said:
Again, your being logical in your thinking. Not going to happen with others.
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I'm also trying to figure out why it's bad for the other 12 teams in the conference to add a team that brings this to the table and at the same time isn't going to be an immediate threat to win the conference.

I just don't understand how everyone doesn't win in this situation.
 
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