Texas A&M/SEC megamerge thread extravaganza

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bleedorange0037 said:
Because that ends the Bama series. In a 16 team conference they'll have to be in our division for us to get to play them each year, cause I don't see all the schools signing off on a locked cross-division opponent and only 1 rotating game. None of the other schools have that type of rivalry with the excpetion of UGA/AU That makes it so you hardly ever play the teams in the other division.

Moving Bama and Auburn to the east essentially creates one super division and another division that could just be called LSU v. The Field. Of course, given Les Miles unspeakably good fourtune, that's probably exactly how this will play out.
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I'm talking about 14 teams for the moment. Speculating on 16 is thinking a bit too far ahead at the present moment


They could very well end up saving any major/massive shakeups or rearrangements until the conference actually reaches a 16 team amount or so
 
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#627
#627
TrueOrange said:
I'm talking about 14 teams for the moment. Speculating on 16 is thinking a bit too far ahead at the present moment
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Maybe, but I think most everyone agrees that 16 teams is the endgame in all of this. Might as well consider those options, because that's probably where all this is headed.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Maybe, but I think most everyone agrees that 16 teams is the endgame in all of this. Might as well consider those options, because that's probably where all this is headed.
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the only talks we've seen about 16 from fans on message boards and from 1 faulty report ESPN picked up and ran with, i don't think we can call it anything but speculation

Kinda the same thing with the "rivalries automatically voted down" I don't think you can just write that off as a given (isn't the 4-5 school vote the same that's supposed to be enough to keep FSU,GT,Louisville,&Clemson out of the conference?)


...(don't take it the wrong way but) it seems you're kind of letting your pessimism get the better of you and run away with your thoughts on some of these things
 
#634
#634
Volstylexx said:
they need 4 votes against to block entry, correct? so they're fine at this point.
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Correct. There are two opposed, one very outspoken. There are at least two more that would prefer to remain at 12 but are probably willing to vote for expansion if needed.

The problem is this: Expansion doesn't stop at 13/14. It's either going to be 12 or 16.

And it's teams 14, 15, and 16 that the other schools are having problems coming to terms with the reality of.
 
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#635
TrueOrange said:
the only talks we've seen about 16 from fans on message boards and from 1 faulty report ESPN picked up and ran with, i don't think we can call it anything but speculation

Kinda the same thing with the "rivalries automatically voted down" I don't think you can just write that off as a given (isn't the 4-5 school vote the same that's supposed to be enough to keep FSU,GT,Louisville,&Clemson out of the conference?)


...(don't take it the wrong way but) it seems you're kind of letting your pessimism get the better of you and run away with your thoughts on some of these things
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I don't think anyone is suggesting the SEC is trying to destroy the rivalries.

However, I absolutely believe that in the grand scheme of things, preserving cross divisional rivalries may not be the top priority.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Maybe, but I think most everyone agrees that 16 teams is the endgame in all of this. Might as well consider those options, because that's probably where all this is headed.
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Once you're going down this path, the smart thing to do is probably to go ahead and try to get to 16 while you're still the first mover and would get the first pick. Everyone is taking it as a given that 16 teams is the endgame here.

But yuck.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Correct. There are two opposed, one very outspoken. There are at least two more that would prefer to remain at 12 but are probably willing to vote for expansion if needed.

The problem is this: Expansion doesn't stop at 13/14. It's either going to be 12 or 16.

And it's teams 14, 15, and 16 that the other schools are having problems coming to terms with the reality of.
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Ok, I see. Its not A&M, its the other 3 where the opposition is stemming from. That makes more sense... probably more competitive disadvantages to current SEC teams from the other potential schools.

i.e. florida against florida state, etc.
 
#640
#640
TrueOrange said:
the only talks we've seen about 16 from fans on message boards and from 1 faulty report ESPN picked up and ran with, i don't think we can call it anything but speculation

Kinda the same thing with the "rivalries automatically voted down" I don't think you can just write that off as a given (isn't the 4-5 school vote the same that's supposed to be enough to keep FSU,GT,Louisville,&Clemson out of the conference?)


...(don't take it the wrong way but) it seems you're kind of letting your pessimism get the better of you and run away with your thoughts on some of these things
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All I'm saying is that when faced with the option of rotating two schools and playing more frequently or rotating just one in order to preserve Bama/UT and UGA/Aub, I'm not sure the interests of those 4 schools are going to automatically take precedent over 10-12 who could care less about having a locked cross-divisional opponent. Maybe it would, but I think it's foolish for people to not at least ackknowledge the possibility that our series with Bama may soon end up on the chopping block. The truly frightening prospect is the fact that so far the conference has acted solely in the interest of lining their own pockets, and had no regard for preserving the history and tradition of the conference.
 
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#641
DeerPark12 said:
Mississippi State is all for it. They see expansion as their next step to the big time. Whether that's the reality or not, it's what they believe.
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Can you not tell us the two schools? Florida and South Carolina seem like they may be opposed.
 
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#643
tvolsfan said:
Can you not tell us the two schools? Florida and South Carolina seem like they may be opposed.
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If this were the case, I think you'd have UGA in there as a 3rd dissenter. Wasn't there some report a few weeks ago that those 3 have a Survivor-style pact not to vote for adding any more schools withing their own states? If the concern is the next step beyond aTm, these 3 would seem to be the ones who would oppose it, as it would be likely that 1 or 2 teams would have to be pulled in from the east coast, and some of the best candidates (FSU, Clemson, Ga Tech) are in their states.
 
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#644
tvolsfan said:
Can you not tell us the two schools? Florida and South Carolina seem like they may be opposed.
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I was asked not to do so because if and when expansion is announced, the league will announce either a 12-0 or 11-0 with one abstention vote and put a happy face and united front on it.

If the vote happened without the real possibility that other conferences will end up at 16 regardless, you'd see either a 6-5 or 6-6 vote.

This vote terrifies schools that currently recruit Texas heavily.
 
#646
#646
DeerPark12 said:
Correct. There are two opposed, one very outspoken. There are at least two more that would prefer to remain at 12 but are probably willing to vote for expansion if needed.

The problem is this: Expansion doesn't stop at 13/14. It's either going to be 12 or 16.

And it's teams 14, 15, and 16 that the other schools are having problems coming to terms with the reality of.
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Why not add A&M, Mizzlou, Va Tech and UNC or State
 
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#650
Vercingetorix said:
Once you're going down this path, the smart thing to do is probably to go ahead and try to get to 16 while you're still the first mover and would get the first pick. Everyone is taking it as a given that 16 teams is the endgame here.

But yuck.
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I think that way too big of a move for a conference to be making all at once....that'd be kind of brash on the conference's part it seems
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