Texas A&M/SEC megamerge thread extravaganza

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Vercingetorix said:
But it doesn't matter if you used to beat them regularly in football. The other sports don't mean enough to matter. Big brother sucks all the oxygen out of the room and gets all the attention regardless of when and whether he deserves it, and that's understandably infuriating to little brother. Multiply that times the actual cultural divide between Austin and College Station and it's no wonder A&M is tired of this relationship. The Aggies are sick of being Jan Brady.

But man. Throwing yourself into the meat grinder of the SEC West sure seems like cutting your own nose off to be rid of them.
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Not to interject into the argument here, but, well South Carolina and Arkansas were in about the same position and they've been contenders recently. Yep, took some time.

The flip side is Miami and FSU were riding high when they joined the ACC, they started playing down to the level of competition. jmo.
 
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vol66 said:
Not to interject into the argument here, but, well South Carolina and Arkansas were in about the same position and they've been contenders recently. Yep, took some time.

The flip side is Miami and FSU were riding high when they joined the ACC, they started playing down to the level of competition. jmo.
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South Carolina and Arkansas have been in the conference for two decades, and neither has ever been able to be more than a team that gets to compete for the division in those rare occasions when the traditional overlords are all down.

The path to actual on-the-field success for A&M is a still hell of a lot easier in the Big 8/Big 12/Southwest Conference than in the SEC. They're moving to a league where they'll lose even more so that they can tell their Longhorn friends, "Yeah, well at least we play in the best conference."
 
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Vercingetorix said:
South Carolina and Arkansas have been in the conference for two decades, and neither has ever been able to be more than a team that gets to compete for the division in those rare occasions when the traditional overlords are all down.

The path to actual on-the-field success for A&M is a still hell of a lot easier in the Big 8/Big 12/Southwest Conference than in the SEC. They're moving to a league where they'll lose even more so that they can tell their Longhorn friends, "Yeah, well at least we get the same compensation as the rest of the conference."
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Vercingetorix said:
But they're not really leaving because the financial arrangements are unfair; if so, then where's all the anguish from the rest of the Big 12? They're leaving because their feelings are hurt.
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I'm sure the A&M guys can answer this better than I can. I'll give it a shot. Some of the teams and I'll include OU in the list feel like they should follow Texas where ever they end up. Last Year it was to the pac 16. Why? The answers for KU, KSU, Mizzou etc. are easy, where else will they play football? It's a little harder for OU, but why in the world would OU WANT to follow Texas to the west coast? Play USC and the rest of the PAC South, including Texas?

A&M has already answered, it's ridiculous. The Big 12 can't survive as Nebraska and Colorado figured out. So to stay with uneven revenue sharing(which all other conferences have), and the uncertainty of being led around by the nose of a team who flirts independence every chance they get(like the wannabe ND they aren't) leave.
 
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vol66 said:
I'm sure the A&M guys can answer this better than I can. I'll give it a shot. Some of the teams and I'll include OU in the list feel like they should follow Texas where ever they end up. Last Year it was to the pac 16. Why? The answers for KU, KSU, Mizzou etc. are easy, where else will they play football? It's a little harder for OU, but why in the world would OU WANT to follow Texas to the west coast? Play USC and the rest of the PAC South, including Texas?

A&M has already answered, it's ridiculous. The Big 12 can't survive as Nebraska and Colorado figured out. So to stay with uneven revenue sharing(which all other conferences have), and the uncertainty of being led around by the nose of a team who flirts independence every chance they get(like the wannabe ND they aren't) leave.
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But the uneven revenue that everyone keeps yelling about is just a red herring here, because the way that uneven revenue would manifest itself on the field would be in recruiting -- and Texas, unlike any other team in the country, already gets basically every player they want every year. You could give them an extra $800m a year and it wouldn't change the recruiting situation in the Big 12 at all. They have junior day, they pick the 25 guys they like best, they extend offers, they get 25 commitments. It's just about clockwork. And if the uneven revenue can't make the recruiting situation any worse, then how does it tangibly matter?

I'm not saying that what A&M wants is wrong. They clearly want to carve out their own identity -- unlike Oklahoma, who are apparently content to be Texas's lapdog. I'm just saying that A) the uneven revenue is the symbol, not the reason, and B) joining a conference where you're going to get your ass kicked even worse to be rid of Texas is a little like slashing your wrists to show your girlfriend how mean she is. Be careful what you ask for.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
But the uneven revenue that everyone keeps yelling about is just a red herring here, because the way that uneven revenue would manifest itself on the field would be in recruiting -- and Texas, unlike any other team in the country, already gets basically every player they want every year. You could give them an extra $800m a year and it wouldn't change the recruiting situation in the Big 12 at all. They have junior day, they pick the 25 guys they like best, they extend offers, they get 25 commitments. It's just about clockwork. And if the uneven revenue can't make the recruiting situation any worse, then how does it tangibly matter?

I'm not saying that what A&M wants is wrong. They clearly want to carve out their own identity -- unlike Oklahoma, who are apparently content to be Texas's lapdog. I'm just saying that A) the uneven revenue is the symbol, not the reason, and B) joining a conference where you're going to get your ass kicked even worse to be rid of Texas is a little like slashing your wrists to show your girlfriend how mean she is. Be careful what you ask for.
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Athletic money is used for more than just recruiting. I don't see how you can say that that is the only way it would manifest itself.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
But the uneven revenue that everyone keeps yelling about is just a red herring here, because the way that uneven revenue would manifest itself on the field would be in recruiting -- and Texas, unlike any other team in the country, already gets basically every player they want every year. You could give them an extra $800m a year and it wouldn't change the recruiting situation in the Big 12 at all. They have junior day, they pick the 25 guys they like best, they extend offers, they get 25 commitments. It's just about clockwork. And if the uneven revenue can't make the recruiting situation any worse, then how does it tangibly matter?

I'm not saying that what A&M wants is wrong. They clearly want to carve out their own identity -- unlike Oklahoma, who are apparently content to be Texas's lapdog. I'm just saying that A) the uneven revenue is the symbol, not the reason, and B) joining a conference where you're going to get your ass kicked even worse to be rid of Texas is a little like slashing your wrists to show your girlfriend how mean she is. Be careful what you ask for.
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I don't know what to say regarding Texas and the LHN that I haven't already said. That extra money can be used for facilities or upgrades to facilities. It can be used for athletic educational support or buying banner ads on VN saying buy the Bama Network! etc... It isin't about recruiting. It's about one team in the conference getting to have their cake and eat it too, while the others act like being valets for the party is fine with them.

A&M is not running from Texas. They are standing up to them. They are ranked #9 in the pre-season polls and when they come to the SEC it increases TV's by 42%. That's what they bring, like it or not.
 
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I don't know what to say regarding Texas and the LHN that I haven't already said. That extra money can be used for facilities or upgrades to facilities. It can be used for athletic educational support or buying banner ads on VN saying buy the Bama Network! etc... It isn't about recruiting. It's about one team in the conference getting to have their cake and eat it too, while the others act like being valets for the party is fine with them.
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Bingo...we have a winner.
 
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But it doesn't matter if you used to beat them regularly in football. The other sports don't mean enough to matter.
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So if I understand you correctly, A&M's recent national championship in women's basketball wasn't even a blip on the Austin scene?
 
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Don't worry aTm fans, I think aTm to the SEC is going to happen its just going to take a little time. I'm sure the SEC has business and legal analyst working on it right now just to make sure that it will be a beneficial move for both parties and that no one is going to get sued. I actually think you'll fit in with the SEC culture.
 
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Thus they have essentially conceded we are leaving. This, like them agreeing to broadcast a 2nd conference game is symbolic of them flipping us the bird. I'm certainly looking forward to the opportunity to do the same in return Thanksgiving night as we begin the SEC chant while lining up in the Victory formation with a 20+ lead.

Saw em off.
 
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ToddyHill said:
So if I understand you correctly, A&M's recent national championship in women's basketball wasn't even a blip on the Austin scene?
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As someone who lives in Austin, I can tell you that it really wasn't a big deal to anyone I talked to...
 
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TXVOL07 said:
Thus they have essentially conceded we are leaving. This, like them agreeing to broadcast a 2nd conference game is symbolic of them flipping us the bird. I'm certainly looking forward to the opportunity to do the same in return Thanksgiving night as we begin the SEC chant while lining up in the Victory formation with a 20+ lead.

Saw em off.
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that is going to be one interesting game...
 
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gordonr24 said:
It'll be a game for the ages if it is indeed the last time these two schools will face each other in conference competition.
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I think A&M has the edge, big time.

They're probably going to be better than Texas anyway, plus TU's slighted them (and the whole conference) to an unbelievable degree.
 
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vol66 said:
If you are referencing my post, I understand that what you're saying is likely true. My question is who cares whose fault it is? The Aggies could have left last year and The Sips could've gone independent last year. Nebraska and Colorado didn't wait around to see what happened to KSU,and nobody outside of the Big 12-2 cares about who is at fault for the demise of the conference.

When the LHN came about why didqn't the whole lot of you simply band together and say that dog won't hunt?
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(if i understand part of that post correctly) Texas needed/needs to have it make some actual money and see that it works first, that's why they didn't just create it and immediately go independent.....that would have been an extremely foolish or naive move on their part
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bleedorange0037 said:
Enough of this nonsense. You along with everyone else knows that football is the money making rudder that steers the ship of college athletics. All the other sports are really just along for the ride except for a VERY few cases.
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And the Dukes, UNCs, and kansas's don't make nearly as much money off basketball as people like to think
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#97
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TrueOrange said:
(if i understand part of that post correctly) Texas needed/needs to have it make some actual money and see that it works first, that's why they didn't just create it and immediately go independent.....that would have been an extremely foolish or naive move on their part
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What you are saying could be true, though they seemed prepared to go to the PAC as well. (The PAC scoffed at the notion of the LHN btw).

The real point of my post was that I don't think most folks outside of the B12 care why the conference falls apart. The post I was referencing was something along the lines of," If you don't think Texas' plan is to go Independent.....they just don't want people to think it is their fault."

Some of the Aggie fans don't want the demise blamed on them and they want the world to know how terribly they've been treated by the Horns. We know, who cares.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
I think A&M has the edge, big time.

They're probably going to be better than Texas anyway, plus TU's slighted them (and the whole conference) to an unbelievable degree.
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A&M will be a lot better than Texas. They're good enough to challenge OU and believe they may very well beat OU.
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gordonr24 said:
What's the time table for the official announcement? I've read conflicting reports. My guess would be before the season starts.
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However long it takes to sort out all the litigation & contract stuff involving a&m, the state of Texas, the big 12, ESPN (& its tv deals with the SEC & the big 12), and the SEC

Expect it to be a while....don't want it to turn into multiple lawsuits
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