That good enough?

#78
#78
This:

1. Censure: The accepted findings support the conclusion that our colleagues at Penn State, individuals that we have known and with whom we have worked for many years, have egregiously failed on many levels--morally, ethically and potentially criminally. They have failed their great university, their faculty and staff, their students and alumni, their community and state--and they have failed their fellow member institutions in the Big Ten Conference. For these failures, committed at the highest level of the institution, we hereby condemn this conduct and officially censure Penn State.

2. Probation: The Big Ten Conference will be a party to the Athletic Integrity Agreement referenced in the NCAA release, and will work closely with the NCAA and Penn State to ensure complete compliance with its provisions over the 5 year term of the Agreement.

3. Ineligibility: As referenced in the NCAA release, Penn State's football team will be ineligible for postseason bowl games. It will also be ineligible for Big Ten Conference Championship Games for four years, a period of time that runs concurrently with the NCAA postseason bowl ban imposed this morning.

4. Fine: Because Penn State will be ineligible for bowl games for the next four years, it will therefore be ineligible to receive its share of Big Ten Conference bowl revenues over those same four years. That money, estimated to be approximately $13 million, will be donated to established charitable organizations in Big Ten communities dedicated to the protection of children.
 
#80
#80
Yes. It's enough. Maybe for the first time I actually applaud the NCAA.
The only thing I hope is that every kid transfers.
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#81
#81
You'll have some loyalists that are grandsons and sons of proud alumni that couldnt fathom going to school elsewhere, but anyone worth a damn on the feild will most likely take their talents to another school in hopes of attracting more "positive attention" IE:
They need to go somewhere they get exposure in order to get drafted in the NFL.
 
#82
#82
Furthermore, I'd go out on a limb and say that any future recruiting letters to potential players from PSU will be regarded in the same light as those that Geico sends out.

15 minutes or less my ass.

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#84
#84
They surrendered their whole university's a moral authority to football, from the janitors all the way up to the president and board of trustees. They deserve to have their athletics department burned down. This will do it.

The only disappointment is that Joe Paterno isn't still alive to see this day.
 
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#86
#86
TrueOrange said:
Can't win the conference championship or get their part of the split bowl revenue for 4 years best I understood
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Ah. Kind of what i expected.

Thought they might take some TV money, too. But that might be against their contract with the networks.
 
#87
#87
Escape Goat said:
Sure would be nice to see what happened to them instead of a bunch of people saying they got hammered. WTF did they get?
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They lost income. Lots of it.

Then they lost negotiating power willingly.

Then they got slapped on the wrist by being forced to erase wins from their record, thus further hurting the Joe Pa legacy.

Then they willingly agreed to be on house arrest for half a decade.

Then they had their doors opened to their stable of athletes to leave as they please, thus making them less competetive in football.

Football makes $. Bad football does not.

Its not that hard to figure out. "Hammered" is an appropriate term.
 
#88
#88
bamawriter said:
This is beyond absurd. How does any of this help the victims or punish the guilty?
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Nothing can be done after the fact to make the victims whole again, but the question in my mind is should there be any punishment for the institutional mindset that led to the cover up in order to shield the school and football program from any negative repercussions or publicity that would have resulted from immediately turning him in when they should have. Can you separate the actions of the people in charge from the institution they were working for? That is what people are saying when they contend that the innocent are being punished. It is true that the current staff and players had no direct involvement but the school did either directly or indirectly through the actions of their employees.
 
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#89
Ashevillevol said:
Nothing can be done after the fact to make the victims whole again, but the question in my mind is should there be any punishment for the institutional mindset that led to the cover up in order to shield the school and football program from any negative repercussions or publicity that would have resulted from immediately turning him in when they should have. Can you separate the actions of the people in charge from the institution they were working for? That is what people are saying when they contend that the innocent are being punished. It is true that the current staff and players had no direct involvement but the school did either directly or indirectly through the actions of their employees.
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And those employees are no longer associated with the school (other than the contractually obligated legal assistance). It's not like the school didn't discipline the wrongdoers to extent that they could.
 
#90
#90
bamawriter said:
And those employees are no longer associated with the school (other than the contractually obligated legal assistance). It's not like the school didn't discipline the wrongdoers to extent that they could.
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So in your mind then, the school has no culpability for the actions of the people in their employ? Even though their actions were directly involved in school issues. I think there has to be some consequence levied against the institution also. I am not saying the NCAA should be the organization brandishing the sword, and I don't know if the punishment is correct or not but I can't see the institution just skating because they are saying it was just individuals involved. They were acting on behalf of the school
 
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#91
Ashevillevol said:
So in your mind then, the school has no culpability for the actions of the people in their employ?
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No, just the opposite. And the school will be punished by the massive settlements they have to pay out. The NCAA's actions go well beyond what's necessary and helpful.
 
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#92
bamawriter said:
And those employees are no longer associated with the school (other than the contractually obligated legal assistance). It's not like the school didn't discipline the wrongdoers to extent that they could.
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The Board of Trustees is still largely in place. This is the root of the problem.
 
#93
#93
txbo said:
The Board of Trustees is still largely in place. This is the root of the problem.
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The BOT should resign. But no one on that board participated in the coverup.

Regardless, the NCAA can't touch a school's BOT.
 
#94
#94
bamawriter said:
No, just the opposite. And the school will be punished by the massive settlements they have to pay out. The NCAA's actions go well beyond what's necessary and helpful.
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I think this is where I am having trouble with NCAA sanctions. This is so far beyond anything to do with football that punishing the football program so severely seems misplaced and egregious. But something does need to be done. I am just not sure what
 
#95
#95
I dont have a dog in that fight but I guess I dont understand the reasoning why the BOT members should resign. Seems that they are/were unaffiliated with any of the issues that took place.

Can you explain your reasoning?
 
#96
#96
Ashevillevol said:
I think this is where I am having trouble with NCAA sanctions. This is so far beyond anything to do with football that punishing the football program so severely seems misplaced and egregious. But something does need to be done. I am just not sure what
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I think we are so adjusted to think that any bad act surrounding an athletic program should be cause for NCAA interference. I think that mindset is a mistake.
 
#97
#97
TXA&M07 said:
I dont have a dog in that fight but I guess I dont understand the reasoning why the BOT members should resign. Seems that they are/were unaffiliated with any of the issues that took place.

Can you explain your reasoning?
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They had a severe lack of oversight, they botched Paterno's firing, and they made almost no attempt to require compliance with the Clery Act.
 
#98
#98
Ashevillevol said:
I think this is where I am having trouble with NCAA sanctions. This is so far beyond anything to do with football that punishing the football program so severely seems misplaced and egregious. But something does need to be done. I am just not sure what
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Its hard to punish the school by way of some random generalization. Since it involved the football program, there is really no better way to do it. It's the most effective and accurate way to do so within their guidelines.

Guidelines in which, IMO, have exceeded their intended authority.
 
#99
#99
bamawriter said:
They had a severe lack of oversight, they botched Paterno's firing, and they made almost no attempt to require compliance with the Clery Act.
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Ok, I can see that side of it now. I think your suggestion is one that each individual would have to make on a personal level. Not sure those guys are willing to admit failure. Hell, some may view this as an opportunity to remain to "help" in the re-building process.

Kinda like a first mate taking the helm of a sinking ship after the captain has jumped overboard.
 
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