That good enough?

#101
#101
bamawriter said:
The BOT should resign. But no one on that board participated in the coverup.

Regardless, the NCAA can't touch a school's BOT.
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They didn't participate in the cover-up because they completely failed in their fiduciary responsibility to provide governance and oversight. They didn't have proper accountability in place. Here's two examples:

2004 - Trustees determine it is time for Paterno to step down. They ask him to retire. Jo says no..... Jo coaches for 8 more years. How weak is a board that allows an employee to stay in place for 8 years after they have determined he should go?

Also 2004 - Several trustees recognize the lack of governance by the board and recommend governance reform. Nothing was done.

This board is made up of very experienced leaders that know what good governance is. They failed to provide it.
 
#102
#102
TXA&M07 said:
Its hard to punish the school by way of some random generalization. Since it involved the football program, there is really no better way to do it. It's the most effective and accurate way to do so within their guidelines.

Guidelines in which, IMO, have exceeded their intended authority.
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The NCAA only has authority over athletic programs and I think this goes beyond athletics and the school should be held accountable in a broader sense. For that reason I don't think the football program alone should take the hit for the school. Maybe they should bear the expense and responsibility of developing programs and guidelines that other schools and institutions could follow to stop this kind of lack of institutional control.
 
#104
#104
txbo said:
No they can't but they could allow they could reduce penalties with the removal of board members.
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Given that the NCAA's authority is only over athletics, I think it would be grossly inappropriate for them to use that authority to blackmail an institution into making administrative changes.
 
#105
#105
bamawriter said:
They had a severe lack of oversight, they botched Paterno's firing, and they made almost no attempt to require compliance with the Clery Act.
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Additionally, they hired administrators that were incapable of holding Paterno accountable.
 
#107
#107
bamawriter said:
Given that the NCAA's authority is only over athletics, I think it would be grossly inappropriate for them to use that authority to blackmail an institution into making administrative changes.
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The precedent would scare me also but how is that any different from "show cause" penalties?
 
#108
#108
bamawriter said:
Given that the NCAA's authority is only over athletics, I think it would be grossly inappropriate for them to use that authority to blackmail an institution into making administrative changes.
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That would be so far beyond the scope of their authority that we should talk about disolution of NCAA of they tried that. Talk about the tail wagging the dog...
 
#109
#109
txbo said:
The precedent would scare me also but how is that any different from "show cause" penalties?
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Show cause penalties are on coaches or athletic staff members. The NCAA can't issue show cause orders on Presidents, CFOs, Trustees, etc.
 
#110
#110
Ashevillevol said:
The NCAA only has authority over athletic programs and I think this goes beyond athletics and the school should be held accountable in a broader sense. For that reason I don't think the football program alone should take the hit for the school. Maybe they should bear the expense and responsibility of developing programs and guidelines that other schools and institutions could follow to stop this kind of lack of institutional control.
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I mentioned something similar much earlier this month. It was met like a fart in church here.

Upon review, I think considering they are holding them accountable for an extended period of time, the University will implement something similar to what I suggested in order to regain public appeal. If they grin and take it as the NCAA distributes, they'll continue to lack accountability to many of the public. They'll have to enforce some type of self taxation in order to restore faith from the masses that they too, need to punish from within.
 
#112
#112
bamawriter said:
Show cause penalties are on coaches or athletic staff members. The NCAA can't issue show cause orders on Presidents, CFOs, Trustees, etc.
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Yea, I get that but the idea is the same. Remove offending parties from the program. Only difference is where the lines are drawn.
 
#113
#113
txbo said:
They didn't participate in the cover-up because they completely failed in their fiduciary responsibility to provide governance and oversight. They didn't have proper accountability in place. Here's two examples:

2004 - Trustees determine it is time for Paterno to step down. They ask him to retire. Jo says no..... Jo coaches for 8 more years. How weak is a board that allows an employee to stay in place for 8 years after they have determined he should go?

Also 2004 - Several trustees recognize the lack of governance by the board and recommend governance reform. Nothing was done.

This board is made up of very experienced leaders that know what good governance is. They failed to provide it.
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You're exactly correct. Every member of the BOT signed a "contract" knowing their responsibility. They failed and should be removed. The school should demand it.
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#114
#114
Ashevillevol said:
That would be so far beyond the scope of their authority that we should talk about disolution of NCAA of they tried that. Talk about the tail wagging the dog...
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I disagree. As a member organization they can set character clauses and NCAA used that. Remember, the members themselves agreed unanimously about the punishment. I don't see this as a slippery slope scenario at all the NCAA president has an executive board and a D1 board he has to answer to.
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#115
#115
VolBeef88 said:
I disagree. As a member organization they can set character clauses and NCAA used that. Remember, the members themselves agreed unanimously about the punishment. I don't see this as a slippery slope scenario at all the NCAA president has an executive board and a D1 board he has to answer to.
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You honestly think the NCAA should be able to blackmail schools into firing or disciplining administrators?
 
#116
#116
bamawriter said:
You honestly think the NCAA should be able to blackmail schools into firing or disciplining administrators?
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If they are responsible for compliance problems, how is that any different from blackmailing them to fire a coach or AD?
 
#117
#117
txbo said:
If they are responsible for compliance problems, how is that any different from blackmailing them to fire a coach or AD?
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The NCAA actually has authority over coaches and ADs. They don't have to resort to blackmail.
 
#118
#118
Jay Bilas just put on his lawyer hat and said this was over the top.

He made some good points but I'm not willing to agree with everything he said.

Did not know he was a practicing attorney.
 
#119
#119
I hope Every football player is allowed to transfer. If they can't then they should sue the NCAA.
 
#120
#120
Well...... All I know...Thanks to USC, Ohio State, and Penn State, it makes Tennessee's BBQ seem like an innocent.....BBQ. Thank God we don't have THESE problems here.
 
#121
#121
TXA&M07 said:
Jay Bilas just put on his lawyer hat and said this was over the top.

He made some good points but I'm not willing to agree with everything he said.

Did not know he was a practicing attorney.
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What exactly did he say? How did he attempt to justify the NCAA, in a roundabout manner, stating that while raping children and covering for the rapists is bad, it's not quite as bad as a school paying its recruits even though the NCAA had already told them several times to stop?
 
#122
#122
vols-1 said:
I hope Every football player is allowed to transfer. If they can't then they should sue the NCAA.
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They can, in theory.

But the current seniors are pretty much screwed. They're allowed to transfer, but where are they gonna go six weeks before the season starts?
 
#123
#123
bleedorange0037 said:
What exactly did he say? How did he attempt to justify the NCAA, in a roundabout manner, stating that while raping children and covering for the rapists is bad, it's not quite as bad as a school paying its recruits even though the NCAA had already told them several times to stop?
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One that stands out was the $60 mil. Said the NCAA insists that college athletics is not about $, but they taxed them anyhow. He calls that hipocracy which I completey understand.
 
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