That's racist!

[hog88]

Or it could be a windfall and quick settlement out of court. The NFL is in a difficult position here, along with these teams. This could get sideways for the league very quick.

I don’t doubt that the NFL will settle but this guy probably won’t coach again in the league.

 

[hog88]

It proved the Rooney rule is crap.

The Rooney rule is crap.

 

[KB5252]

I don’t doubt that the NFL will settle but this guy probably won’t coach again in the league.

No doubt, but this will also bring a lot of change, and that change will be swift.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Washington Football Team now the Commanders..

Know who else had Washington commanders?

Indians on the trail of tears.

 

[Hoosier_Vol]

Whoopi Goldberg has been suspended for two weeks as co-host of “The View” because of what the head of ABC News called her “wrong and hurtful comments” about Jews and the Holocaust.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

A fired black NFL head coach is suing the NFL.

Brian Flores Files Lawsuit Against NFL, New York Giants With Text Messages To Prove Racism | 95.3 WDAE

So the Giants wanted to hire an offensive coordinator (the way the league is trending) from a team that won the division, in the same state, a division Flores didn’t win and Belichick sent a text by mistake to Flores and that’s supposed to be somehow tied to racism?

 

[SamRebel35]

I would bet $10 million that Belichick sent that to the wrong Brian on purpose.

 

[hog88]

No doubt, but this will also bring a lot of change, and that change will be swift.

It will bring about as much change as the Rooney rule did. Which isn't much, the owners will just do a better job of painting the picture.

 

[KB5252]

It will bring about as much change as the Rooney rule did. Which isn't much, the owners will just do a better job of painting the picture.

I don't think so, not this time. I think the players will rally around this. If they do, the NFL has a huge problem.

 

[SamRebel35]

The Flores rule: You can only hire black people for coaching positions. And you must hire white people to wash the cars of all the players and get them coffee.

 

[hog88]

I don't think so, not this time. I think the players will rally around this. If they do, the NFL has a huge problem.

What are they going to do? Go on strike?

 

[KB5252]

What are they going to do? Go on strike?

All they have to do is threaten it really. The NFL will have a PR disaster on their hands, given the current political climate.

 

[n_huffhines]

So the Giants wanted to hire an offensive coordinator (the way the league is trending) from a team that won the division, in the same state, a division Flores didn’t win and Belichick sent a text by mistake to Flores and that’s supposed to be somehow tied to racism?

IDK what Flores is saying exactly with regard to "racism" but he's likely going to win his suit.

Also, Flores is 100% the most sure thing coach available. When he got fired, every sports podcast and every serious fan I knew was mind blown and talking about who the lucky next team will be. We are to believe he's hard to work with, and that's more important than winning. Daboll is not proven at all. Yeah, he's succeeded as an OC with Josh Allen. OK, man. Let's see how you do with Daniel Jones....because Flores was winning as a HC with Tua and a front office that tried to tank.

The NFL has made shallow attempts at wokeness, and this is what they get. They made a rule that outwardly looks like minorities are given a chance. Flores is suing because he has evidence that he is a pawn in this game because of his skin color.

He has text messages that indicate Giants and Daboll was a done deal, interviewing him was just a formality.

He alleges Elway was drunk and interviewing him was a formality.

He alleges Dolphins tried to pay him to tank. Then fired him for winning. If this is true, look at it this way, "The Dolphins hired me to be a token black placeholder coach for 2 years while they rebuilt. They asked me to lose on purpose so they could get better draft picks and justify firing me. Instead, I won a lot and they still fired me."

If he can support all this, the NFL is going to pay dearly.

 

[n_huffhines]

I would bet $10 million that Belichick sent that to the wrong Brian on purpose.

And have all of America laughing their asses off at him? I had the same thought as you (because I think he wants Flores to be his DC, and all this makes him toxic), but I don't think the comedy of it at his expense would sit well with him.

Kraft/BB will make Flores HC in waiting as a big F U to the rest of the league that will try to be covertly blackballing him.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

IDK what Flores is saying exactly with regard to "racism" but he's likely going to win his suit.

Also, Flores is 100% the most sure thing coach available. When he got fired, every sports podcast and every serious fan I knew was mind blown and talking about who the lucky next team will be. We are to believe he's hard to work with, and that's more important than winning. Daboll is not proven at all. Yeah, he's succeeded as an OC with Josh Allen. OK, man. Let's see how you do with Daniel Jones....because Flores was winning as a HC with Tua and a front office that tried to tank.

I see what you’re saying, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with hiring on philosophy, with Dabol being an offensive minded coach versus Flores who comes from the Belichick coaching tree of D coordinators. Flores had already expressed his displeasure with Tua, and there’s a lot of he said he said stuff going on in regard to that. The Giants can hope that the light turns on for Jones this season with a new offensive minded coach or they can get the pieces in place for who they want for the 2023 draft or FA. The NFC is going to be devoid of any elite QBs if Rodgers goes to the Broncos or someone else in the AFC, maybe the Giants see this as opportunity to make them more attractive to a big time QB. I don’t see the Giants scenario in this as being racist at all. In fact, I’m really not seeing it at all, not with your Broncos either . Who cares if Elway shows up hung over?

 

[n_huffhines]

I see what you’re saying, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with hiring on philosophy, with Dabol being an offensive minded coach versus Flores who comes from the Belichick coaching tree of D coordinators. Flores had already expressed his displeasure with Tua, and there’s a lot of he said he said stuff going on in regard to that. The Giants can hope that the light turns on for Jones this season with a new offensive minded coach or they can get the pieces in place for who they want for the 2023 draft or FA. The NFC is going to be devoid of any elite QBs if Rodgers goes to the Broncos or someone else in the AFC, maybe the Giants see this as opportunity to make them more attractive to a big time QB. I don’t see the Giants scenario in this as being racist at all. In fact, I’m really not seeing it at all, not with your Broncos either . Who cares if Elway shows up hung over?

Is it smart to go offensive when everybody else is, or should you zag? I think you just take the best coach.

The Giants can hire whomever they want, but I think they made a mistake and they did Flores a great disservice by using him to comply with this rule when he never had a shot at the job.

I get why the Broncos passed on Flores. They think Hackett will get them Rodgers. But still, it sounds like they jacked around with him because they needed to comply with the rule.

Flores didn't want to tank for Tua, and he won them a bunch of games. Then he asked for Herbert. They took Tua. Then he wanted to start Fitzpatrick, and they made him start Tua. Flores was right every step of the way and any one of us would have expressed displeasure with Tua at this point. All the fans have. If I have to choose between a young, competent coach who is winning despite an underwhelming young QB and that underwhelming young QB, I take the coach. I don't think they had to choose. Tua is humble and he's not soft, so he wouldn't pull a Ben Simmons.

There are like 7 jobs available and he's not getting any of them.

 

[n_huffhines]

My biggest hope out of all of this is someone from the Dolphins front office taking a deposition and explaining on the record why they fired Flores? Even with this "he's hard to work with" line, I just don't get it. He gave them their only back-to-back winning seasons in 19 years.

 

[hog88]

All they have to do is threaten it really. The NFL will have a PR disaster on their hands, given the current political climate.

The players aren't going to strike and the owners know that. Look at the last lockout and how many players were taking out loans to sustain their lifestyles.

With online gambling now legal across the country it would take something much bigger than this to create a PR storm that would hurt the NFL. The only thing that would hurt the NFL and would scare the crap out of them is if congress threatened to take their anti-trust exemptions away.

 

[KB5252]

Is it smart to go offensive when everybody else is, or should you zag? I think you just take the best coach.

The Giants can hire whomever they want, but I think they made a mistake and they did Flores a great disservice by using him to comply with this rule when he never had a shot at the job.

I get why the Broncos passed on Flores. They think Hackett will get them Rodgers. But still, it sounds like they jacked around with him because they needed to comply with the rule.

Flores didn't want to tank for Tua, and he won them a bunch of games. Then he asked for Herbert. They took Tua. Then he wanted to start Fitzpatrick, and they made him start Tua. Flores was right every step of the way and any one of us would have expressed displeasure with Tua at this point. All the fans have. If I have to choose between a young, competent coach who is winning despite an underwhelming young QB and that underwhelming young QB, I take the coach.

There are like 7 jobs available and he's not getting any of them.

Not now for sure...... I felt he was done wrong but it's a business. He makes some fair points and he got the short end of the stick for sure. If half of what he claims is true the NFL is going to do everything they can to keep this from rolling.

This isn't like the Kap situation, Kap brought much of this on himself with some poor choices. Flores tried to work within the framework of the NFL and did nothing controversial or out of the way to make it about himself.

 

[KB5252]

The players aren't going to strike and the owners know that. Look at the last lockout and how many players were taking out loans to sustain their lifestyles.

With online gambling now legal across the country it would take something much bigger than this to create a PR storm that would hurt the NFL. The only thing that would hurt the NFL and would scare the crap out of them is if congress threatened to take their anti-trust exemptions away.

Your last sentence is key. This is the type of thing that can get the discussion rolling.

This is just the type of incident that would have players consider a strike. The firestorm of a threatened lockout, hammering away about racist practices of the NFL. It's PR they don't want.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Is it smart to go offensive when everybody else is, or should you zag? I think you just take the best coach.

The Giants can hire whomever they want, but I think they made a mistake and they did Flores a great disservice by using him to comply with this rule when he never had a shot at the job.

I get why the Broncos passed on Flores. They think Hackett will get them Rodgers. But still, it sounds like they jacked around with him because they needed to comply with the rule.

Flores didn't want to tank for Tua, and he won them a bunch of games. Then he asked for Herbert. They took Tua. Then he wanted to start Fitzpatrick, and they made him start Tua. Flores was right every step of the way and any one of us would have expressed displeasure with Tua at this point. All the fans have. If I have to choose between a young, competent coach who is winning despite an underwhelming young QB and that underwhelming young QB, I take the coach. I don't think they had to choose. Tua is humble and he's not soft, so he wouldn't pull a Ben Simmons.

There are like 7 jobs available and he's not getting any of them.

I think you have a point if we’re talking about the AFC, but the NFC will be a one division conference if Rodgers leaves . Dak will debatably be a top 2 QB in the NFC. I agree that Flores had done a good job, and I was surprised that he was fired . I’m not that surprised that this took this sort of turn, with the exception of Flores outing the Fins owner for asking him to tank. That’s potentially career ending. Another angle to this Giants thing is that Judge was a Belichick disciple as well, and for some accounts the players weren’t really happy with him practice styles . Maybe the Giants didn’t want another New England guy?

I do think Flores is certainly deserving of another job and serious consideration. I think I’m having more of an issue with the Dolphins ownership than the accusations of racism going around. If that’s racism on their end then they’re stupid and should receive what they have headed their way. Either way, it reeks of incompetence.

 

[n_huffhines]

I think you have a point if we’re talking about the AFC, but the NFC will be a one division conference if Rodgers leaves . Dak will debatably be a top 2 QB in the NFC. I agree that Flores had done a good job, and I was surprised that he was fired . I’m not that surprised that this took this sort of turn, with the exception of Flores outing the Fins owner for asking him to tank. That’s potentially career ending. Another angle to this Giants thing is that Judge was a Belichick disciple as well, and for some accounts the players weren’t really happy with him practice styles . Maybe the Giants didn’t want another New England guy?

I do think Flores is certainly deserving of another job and serious consideration. I think I’m having more of an issue with the Dolphins ownership than the accusations of racism going around. If that’s racism on their end then they’re stupid and should receive what they have headed their way. Either way, it reeks of incompetence.

The Giants are nowhere near competing for the top of the NFC, so deciding anything based on the fact that NFC QB's are weak at the moment doesn't make much sense. That can change by the time the Giants are ready to compete. Hell, if Philly gets Watson or Wilson, then the Giants suddenly have two offensive juggernauts in their own division.

In the first place, I still don't understand why a lack of great QB's means you should go with an offensive coach. To me, that means you have a good chance of succeeding without high-powered offense. You could win with just a game manager at QB (say, Garoppolo). No game manager got out of the WC round in the AFC.

Maybe the Dolphins players weren't happy, I never heard that, but they played their asses off for him, so who cares?

 

[hog88]

Your last sentence is key. This is the type of thing that can get the discussion rolling.

This is just the type of incident that would have players consider a strike. The firestorm of a threatened lockout, hammering away about racist practices of the NFL. It's PR they don't want.

The new CBA goes through 2030, the players aren't going on strike and they aren't going to threaten a strike.

 

[KB5252]

The new CBA goes through 2030, the players aren't going on strike and they aren't going to threaten a strike.

Maybe not, but there are very strong feelings here, I wouldn't rule it out if the NFL doesn't address this appropriately in their eyes.

 

[hog88]

Maybe not, but there are very strong feelings here, I wouldn't rule it out if the NFL doesn't address this appropriately in their eyes.

I'd rule it out completely. The NFL will settle with Flores and put some window dressing on the situation but nothing will really change.