That's racist!

[NashVol11]

Why aren't they talking about it more then?

"Hey black people, let me tell you what you should and shouldn't talk about"

 

[NashVol11]

I asked you what makes Barkley terrible when discussing subjects related to ethnicity when the "leaders" of the hyper-melanin community say similar things. A question which you answered with a reference to some Sheriff. A question I am still interested in your perspective on.

Everyone agrees that black-on-black crime is a problem. The leaders you mention don't use it as a deflective response to every issue, or act like no other issue is worth talking about until it's fixed.

 

[SergeantVol]

We all know you have to be liberal in order to be a leader in the black community. If you are not, then you don't understand the problems of the black community. Forget the white privilege and racism arguments. If you are black and conservative, you obviously didn't have to deal with the same challenges as you would if you were black and liberal.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Everyone agrees that black-on-black crime is a problem. The leaders you mention don't use it as a deflective response to every issue, or act like no other issue is worth talking about until it's fixed.

"Black on black crime is a problem so let's go tear down a bunch of 150 year old Confederate statues!"

 

[FLVOL_79]

The day someone buys a house and tells their friends "I found a really nice place in a black neighborhood" is the day the black community has finally got their sh!! together.

 

[SergeantVol]

Under my above stated logic, Barkley, Harman Caine, Ben Carson, David Clarke, and Clarence Thomas are all excluded. Forget that they are black and they have all faced the same exact challenges growing up and into adulthood.

 

[NashVol11]

If we think glorifying the Confederacy is wrong, why isn't that enough? Why does it have to be wrong AND important in the eyes of white people? Or wrong AND the biggest issue facing black people, wrong AND more devastating than black-on-black crime? If we have an opportunity to right a wrong, why not just do it instead of talking about how other opportunities would be better?

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

"Hey black people, let me tell you what you should and shouldn't talk about"

When all of the talking points are to blame me for the problems simply because I was born with white skin then yeah.

 

[McDad]

Everyone agrees that black-on-black crime is a problem. The leaders you mention don't use it as a deflective response to every issue, or act like no other issue is worth talking about until it's fixed.

So, it is A problem that is worthy of discussion but those offering it as an opinion should be careful when they bring it up?

 

[InVOLuntary]

If we think glorifying the Confederacy is wrong, why isn't that enough? Why does it have to be wrong AND important in the eyes of white people? Or wrong AND the biggest issue facing black people, wrong AND more devastating than black-on-black crime? If we have an opportunity to right a wrong, why not just do it instead of talking about how other opportunities would be better?

I guess some have different opinions on what glorifying is. The existence of a statue doesn't mean anyone is being glorified.

 

[NashVol11]

We all know you have to be liberal in order to be a leader in the black community. If you are not, then you don't understand the problems of the black community. Forget the white privilege and racism arguments. If you are black and conservative, you obviously didn't have to deal with the same challenges as you would if you were black and liberal.

It's not a party thing. Like I said, to be a leader, most people in that community have to lend weight to your opinion on those issues. McDad's mention of leaders referred to Sharpton and Jackson; even he wasn't trying to say that Clarke and Barkley are "leaders," and I doubt most people in this thread honestly believe that they are.

 

[1972 Grad]

How do you know there aren't already millions of black people trying to solve those problems?

Hard to have time with all the flash mobbing and the like.

 

[McDad]

If we think glorifying the Confederacy is wrong, why isn't that enough? Why does it have to be wrong AND important in the eyes of white people? Or wrong AND the biggest issue facing black people, wrong AND more devastating than black-on-black crime? If we have an opportunity to right a wrong, why not just do it instead of talking about how other opportunities would be better?

It is enough. Your opinions dont require validation from anyone regardless of their melanin concentration.

 

[McDad]

It's not a party thing. Like I said, to be a leader, most people in that community have to lend weight to your opinion on those issues. McDad's mention of leaders referred to Sharpton and Jackson; even he wasn't trying to say that Clarke and Barkley are "leaders," and I doubt most people in this thread honestly believe that they are.

Im not even convinced Jesse and Al are leaders. That's why I used quotation marks.

 

[hog88]

If we think glorifying the Confederacy is wrong, why isn't that enough? Why does it have to be wrong AND important in the eyes of white people? Or wrong AND the biggest issue facing black people, wrong AND more devastating than black-on-black crime? If we have an opportunity to right a wrong, why not just do it instead of talking about how other opportunities would be better?

You can what you will, I have no problem with black people or anyone else despising the Confederacy or it's memorials. Where you are making a mistake is thinking that taking down these statues and memorials is righting some kind of wrong.

 

[NashVol11]

So, it is A problem that is worthy of discussion but those offering it as an opinion should be careful when they bring it up?

Those using it to tell black people "shut up about this issue, you're not allowed to complain yet, stay in line" should absolutely be careful about doing that.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

If we think glorifying the Confederacy is wrong, why isn't that enough? Why does it have to be wrong AND important in the eyes of white people? Or wrong AND the biggest issue facing black people, wrong AND more devastating than black-on-black crime? If we have an opportunity to right a wrong, why not just do it instead of talking about how other opportunities would be better?

Why is it wrong to honor the memory of MY ancestors who fought for the Confederacy?

 

[McDad]

Those using it to tell black people "shut up about this issue, you're not allowed to complain yet, stay in line" should absolutely be careful about doing that.

Is that what Barkley is doing (saying)?

 

[NashVol11]

I guess some have different opinions on what glorifying is. The existence of a statue doesn't mean anyone is being glorified.

You can what you will, I have no problem with black people or anyone else despising the Confederacy or it's memorials. Where you are making a mistake is thinking that taking down these statues and memorials is righting some kind of wrong.

Seems like we mostly agree, other than the bold, to which my response would be that yes, some do have different opinions on what glorifying is, or on whether we are righting a wrong; it may be wise to remember that statement about differing opinions when you tell me I am "making a mistake" or am wrong about what they mean.

 

[NashVol11]

Why is it wrong to honor the memory of MY ancestors who fought for the Confederacy?

It's not wrong. That's why there are many museums for us to examine that history without putting it on a pedestal

 

[FLVOL_79]

Speaking of glorifying..this is in Gettysburg

I remember seeing this and being like "damn..thats kind of hardcore"..

 

[SamRebel35]

Those using it to tell black people "shut up about this issue, you're not allowed to complain yet, stay in line" should absolutely be careful about doing that.

Nobody has told you anything remotely close to what you just described. You're a free individual. Think and talk about whatever the hell you want. However, I'm also a free individual. Don't expect me to give a sh!t about any argument that is false or illogical.

 

[NashVol11]

Is that what Barkley is doing (saying)?

Basically, yes. Instead of trying to understand why the statues matter to some people in his community, he talks down to them: "These statues don't matter, focus on black-on-black crime. This other issue doesn't matter, shut up about it, focus on black-on-black crime."

 

[FLVOL_79]

Basically, yes. Instead of trying to understand why the statues matter to some people in his community, he talks down to them: "These statues don't matter, focus on black-on-black crime. This other issue doesn't matter, shut up about it, focus on black-on-black crime."

What is the more pressing issue?

Something that triggers your feels?

Or a current community problem/crisis?

 

[SergeantVol]

It's not a party thing. Like I said, to be a leader, most people in that community have to lend weight to your opinion on those issues. McDad's mention of leaders referred to Sharpton and Jackson; even he wasn't trying to say that Clarke and Barkley are "leaders," and I doubt most people in this thread honestly believe that they are.

But that is the issue. The credibility that is being projected is portrayed by the media and it is false. Several of my Black family members (step dad is black) and my black friends think that Sharpton and Jackson are hacks. Most of them don't give 2 s**ts about the statues. That is mostly white liberals. In their eyes a leader of the black community is someone who understands their plight and is successful in spite of. Political affiliation has nothing to do with it. Many of my friends and family respect Clarence Thomas because he came from nothing and was successful in spite of all the challenges. Yet the liberal media wants to paint him as a traitor to the black community. Most of my friends and family respect David Clarke's opinion. They may not agree with everything that he says. But he has been successful in spite of all the challenges that he face. Yet he is another black man that the media has painted as a traitor to the black community.

The recurring theme is that the Democratic party and the liberal news media know absolutely nothing about the black community and they need to remove themselves for speaking on behalf of the black community.